No Revolver Ammo in the Store

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If you really want to have fun with this topic, start listing all the “dead” rifle types and calibers. 5.56 and 7.62NATO are plentiful but .30-30, .30-06, .270, .243, and 7mmRemMag are awol. That’s it! Bolt-actions are dead!
We won’t mention.45-70. Lever actions are dead, too I suppose.
If it’s all about what’s being made by gunmakers, and they’re responding strictly to demand, and that’s being reflected in ammo production, the obvious conclusion is there’s too few of every kind of shooters except mag-dumpers. It’s a 100% mag dump market. No pressures from any other quarter.
 
It does feel when I'm in at the pistol range that everyone else but me is mag dumping, or they're shooting so fast because they're like 5 yards from the steel plates.
 
I was in a local ammo store yesterday in Orange County, CA and they had a small selection of .38 and .357 “target” ammo.
.38 Winchester 130 grain FMJ $79 / 100 rounds
PMC Bronze 132 grain $40 / 50 rounds
LAX Ammo .357 Magnum $1 a round.

They also had some remanufactured ammo as well as some Self Defense ammo but I didn’t look at that.
 
This is how much components would have to cost before reloaded 38 special target rounds became close to store purchased rounds; Box of 50 rounds.

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Jeez, where are you getting your components? Are you out of the US?
Around here, plated 38 bullets are pretty much $55/500, Primers $110/1000, powder $50/lb. Once fired brass $0-$0.03/ round . The cost is still under $10/box to make 38 specials after a $300 investment into a decent press kit and dies..
 
If you can't beat 'em......join 'em.
I have two 9mm pistols that I shoot. I'm not a big 9mm fan, but they do have some characteristics that I appreciate. Ammo is available , but not cheap. I don't do mag dumps or blow through boxes of ammo, but at least I can get some practice in without burning up my primer supply.
 
I have had some luck finding normally hard to get ammo lately but it took some looking. One was a Gunshow find and the other was one of my LGS that in order to keep the shelves looking full I think emptied the back room and put it all out. What was previously collecting dust made it to the front and caught my attention. This was all in the .32 Long and H&R family. Some boxes were pre pandemic prices too.

If your a reloader this is a bargaining chip! If you see a gun on the shelf that is not supported by ammunition in stock the gun is gonna sit unless they are a reloader. Worth mentioning while negotiating! If they have ammo get them to throw in a box at least. 9mm and .38 handguns are flying off the shelves, so is the ammo. .45 is available but anything else I have noticed is limited or missing. Buy it cheap and stack it deep, or make it!
 
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If you can't beat 'em......join 'em.
I have two 9mm pistols that I shoot. I'm not a big 9mm fan, but they do have some characteristics that I appreciate. Ammo is available , but not cheap. I don't do mag dumps or blow through boxes of ammo, but at least I can get some practice in without burning up my primer supply.
After the Sandyhook panic 9mm mag-dump-dummy ammo dropped to pennies on the dollar. I bought cases of CCI Blazer AL 115gr. for $5/box of 50 and WWB for $9.95+tax/box of 100 (Thanks Wally!:)) I sold all of that ammo, still in the original cases, to LGS's for $20-30/box and they gobbled it up in a day. Then thanked me for it because it let them sell guns and ammo to first-time buyers eager for concealed carry guns and practice ammo. Win-Win-Win. Can't resell reloads but I can "return" ammo that's been stored properly and is still in it's original packaging.
Thinking that might not be a bad thing to do again after this "panic" is over. I load my own 9mm anyway - always have - and don't mind spending a dime on a primer to get a load that works in all my guns.
 
Look at how many bought well made, reliable, robust Tokarevs in the 90s only to dump proven guns once the cheap ammo disappeared.

The market has always been driven by ammo availability. The only one that this doesnt apply to is 5.7x28. The tacticool crowd has wet dreams over a 30 rd pistol in 5.7 and is apparently willing to pay the price for the ammo when it is available.
FYI: The Zastava M57 pistols chambered in 7.62x25 Tokarev are selling for close to $400 and ammo is plentiful again. PPU started importing new factory brass ammo six or seven years ago. I sold my $50 Chinese Type 54 for $350 with three boxes of Romanian brass cased surplus a few months ago - to a kid I'd known since he was in diapers who now has kids of his own just out of diapers. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that Tokarevs are a bad example. They started out cheap but never dropped in value, even when the ammo dried up, briefly. Makarovs are probably a better example.
 
Jeez, where are you getting your components? Are you out of the US?
Around here, plated 38 bullets are pretty much $55/500, Primers $110/1000, powder $50/lb. Once fired brass $0-$0.03/ round . The cost is still under $10/box to make 38 specials after a $300 investment into a decent press kit and dies..

I was showing how Much it would cost to equal store purchased ammunition in 38 special or 357 Magnum. I have purchased couple boxes boxes of store ammunition in the last 32 years, but loaded 68,713 rounds of 38 special and 69,131 rounds of 357 magnum. Still way less expensive to reload revolver ammunition than buy it.
 
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I saw 38 and 357 over the weekend. Priced about what everything else is these days. If I needed some I would have picked up a little. Seems like they are getting caught up on everything else and starting to make some runs of the other less popular stuff again.
 
.357 Magnum will always be expensive because it's .357 Magnum... it doesn't need any other reason.
 
Plenty available here.... but at $.75 a round. :(

Dearest Wifey gave me a $50 gift cert for a local gun store. We went by this past weekend to spend it. I bought 2 small boxes of "social purposes" (defensive) ammo, which sucked it all up. These were 20 round boxes. 1 box Federal "Punch" .38, and 1 "Critical Defense" .44 Special. (This store runs expensive usually, and the Critical Defense was certainly more than I normally spend on that kind of stuff.)

"Dear, this is why I handload."
 
Howdy Again

Just for the fun of it, I went to Starline Brass to see what the situation is for a bunch of different calibers.

Revolver:
32 S&W Long Back ordered
32-20 Out of stock, no back orders at this time.
357 Mag Back ordered
38 Sp Back ordered
38-40 Back ordered
44 Russian Back ordered
44 Special Back ordered
44 Mag Out of stock, no back orders at this time.
44-40 Out of stock, no back orders at this time.
45 Colt Back ordered

Semi-Auto:
9mm Back ordered
45ACP Back ordered

As far as I can tell, Back Ordered means they will be making them, they just don't know when the shipping date will be.


Sure glad I have a few hundred shiny new 44-40s that I bought a few years ago.
Mid April I ordered some 32 H&R Mag and 500 44 Special brass from them. My invoice still shows the 32 H&R as coming and the 44 Special as backordered even though it was delivered a month ago.
 
Totally different approach, but if you would consider reloading, most revolver shooters of like 38 SPCL or 357 leave their brass at the range. You could pick up and reload.
 
My lgs had 45 colt, cowboy loads for $65 per 50. No 357 or 38. I reload all my revolver ammo and have for years, I don't reload for semis as typically the cartridges are cheaper and more easily available. I've heard it's a demand thing, less demand for revolver rounds and production is focused on the mainstream "service " cartridges. You can usually get revolver ammo from Underwood or buffalo bore if you gotta have some but you'll pay for it.
 
I haven't started reloading yet, sucks to be a revolver guy right now.

I didn't have the space or set up to do it when components were cheap and available. From what I understand now, getting ahold of things like primers at rates that make reloading worthwhile is an issue.
 
I am glad I don’t have to buy factory ammo for mine anymore, those loads were expensive. :what:

That's why they are not available, they are always expensive and really shouldn't be.
Look at the components, the bullet shouldn't cost anymore than 9mm they are mostly a cheap lead bullet, primer is the same, case will be a little more but not that much more. If 38 Special was competitively priced it would be flying off the shelves due to the amount of 38 special and .357 mag. revolvers out there.

But is isn't competitively priced and never has been. It has always been priced a little less than .357mag and has a lot higher profit margin than 9mm.
Here is an example, two 1970s boxes of 38Spl and /357 Mag. Specials are $6.70, and Magnums are $7.30 marked down to $7.05. If you had a .357 magnum, which would you buy? 38-357mag ammo.jpg

I think this is what has hurt the sales of 38 Special more lately, than anything and it's too much like most 9mm ammo in that most of the 38 Special practice stuff is nothing but blasting ammo anyways but costs almost twice as much.
People aren't stupid but if you have a 38Special and want to shoot it you have to pay their high prices for it. And look how many 38 Special revolvers are in the world.

If I didn't reload I probably wouldn't realize that 9 and 38 Spl cost about the same to reload. So does the case cost that much more?
Starline doesn't think so. new cases: 38 Special brass $95.50 for 500, 9mm brass $92.50 for 500.
So they cost relatively the same to make.
The ammo companies got away with charging almost 357 Mag prices for 38 Special practice loads until after the 9mm got it's foothold in the industry and was selling ammo that will do the same thing for half as much. Now it's almost a lost cause to them.
I think 38 Special would still be a lot more popular than it is if it wasn't priced like .357 magnums.
The ammo companies kind of cut the 38 Spls throat by doing this. And yes the 357 mag doesn't cost that much more to make then 9mm either.
Look at the profits they're making on them.
No wonder 9mm is so popular.



Totally different approach, but if you would consider reloading, most revolver shooters of like 38 SPCL or 357 leave their brass at the range. You could pick up and reload.

Those are two calibers that I never find laying on the floor at an indoor range, they never hit the floor.
I talk to people at the indoor ranges around here and they tell me that run of the mill 38 Special costs to much for all the more your getting and that they won't pay it.
So it gets re-loaded or they find something else to shoot. It has always been expensive and I don't understand why anyone would buy it when they can buy some other practice ammo too shoot that's half the price.
There are no gun games around here so maybe that contributes to our (local) problem also.
 
I haven't started reloading yet, sucks to be a revolver guy right now.
Didn't have the space or set up to do it when components were cheap and available.
From what I understand now, getting a hold of things like primers at rates that make reloading worthwhile is an issue.

IMHO, no better time than to get into reloading, especially if you shoot a revolver. Reloading is a hedge against today's status and the future. Yes, components may not be spilling out all over the place, as perhaps a couple years ago - with a little patience - they can be found. Nor are revolver cartridges either at LGS or on-line. Lack of space is a perceived barrier to starting, that was my younger son's comment- his living space is a 20x25 ft studio. He has learned to right size many things - a Parlor guitar, four clubs in his golf much smaller golf bag, how to better store things like his bike. Two firearms, a revolver and combination gun.
Assembled a reloading "kit" for him that is similar to my portable set up - a Lee hand press, RCBS Little Dandy powder measure, die set for 38 Spl, bullets, powder, primers and associated stuff. It all fits in a shoe box, pic attached. True, this set up is not as fast as a bench press. A loading batch usually is 30 (6 shot cylinder, five cylinders per session. Or it could be 5x6 depending upon firearm). He loads a batch about once a month and is happy to shoot when some of his friends complain about ammo costs and availability.
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