No SC CCW agreement w/ other states!

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Ok, now that I got your attention.
This was straight from the mouth of a Summerville, SC PO!!!

I merged in front of a marked police vehicle while exiting a bank and sat at a red light for a while with him behind me.
As the light turned and we started moving, he lit me up and I waved out the window and put my flashers on while I searched for a safe place to pull over. I ended up in a lawyers parking lot!
I rested my forearms on the steering wheel while he approached.
He said he pulled me over for the year on my tag being '08, not '09.
I'm in a company vehicle while working in SC for a few weeks.(I'm a NC resident).
He asked if I had any bombs, grenades, etc.. "Uh, no, but I have a concealed handgun permit from NC and have a firearm."
"Where is it?"
"In the console, there." while using a pointing motion from shoulder height.
"Step out of the van."
He then goes to the area and fetches it. He then unholsters my P3AT, ejects the magazine and racks the slide to eject the chambered round.
"I appreciate you being honest with me about this."
"By law, sir, I have to."
"License and registration."
"It's in my pocket, can I get it for you?"
"Go ahead."
I hand him my NCDL and NCCHP. (no registration, I'd have to dig in the van for it if asked again.)
He, actually, both of them, get back in their car and "run things".
He finds the registration is in order, just that the sticker wasn't on the plate and everything else is in order.
He comes back to me, handing me my Kel-Tec, magazine and the hollow point he ejected. Then he says, "You're supposed to have my gun in the glove box or on your person (FYI) and that SC doesn't recognise any other state's concealed weapons permits." :what::banghead:
"Well, sir, NC and SC have reprocii--, reprocip, repro...ummm." (I can never pronounce that word for agreement between states!)
"You better read your laws. You've been nice and honest, and I appreciate that, so I'll just dismiss this if you come back and show me the '09 sticker on the plate before 04/??/09 and won't mention you cutting me off in traffic and the handgun thing." :rolleyes:
"Thank you, sir, have a nice day.'

What!!?? An illegal concealed handgun and no arrest!? (to his thinking). I appreciate the laxity, but the ignorance???!

I intend to show him the sticker on the palte when replaced and a copy of SC state handgun laws!!

All good, just glad he didn't notice the unbagged 32 rd 10/22 magazine I just purchased!
 
sounds like you handled the situation well. Now, don't ruin it by being a jerk when you show him SC gun laws. Still show him but be nice about it(i'm sure you will). Also, make sure the SC handgun laws that you show him are from a .gov or .state kind of website so he can't say that it is just from a dumb internet site(I'm also sure you already planned on that) Good Luck and thanks for being a respectable gun owner!
 
If it weren't for sites such as this, my encounter probably would have turned out bad.
Similar encounters and advice given enabled me to act accordingly and also see it from a LEO perspective.
I am forever grateful for information and opinions given.
Geronimo, I'm always nice and polite, not a "I told you so, you &^%&*^!!"-type. I let him handle my firearm and empty it, all the while watching closely as he did so.
It was completely non-confrontational.
Geronimo/SCKimber, first thing I did was go to the SLED site and print out the information, wanting to show was an official SLED site! Not even handgunlaws.us.
 
That's hilarious. Mostly because when I picked up my SIG 556 from the FFL (a Coastie, who lived in Summerville) I found out that my Virginia permit was legit here by about... I think it was a week from when I got my SIG. You are legal to carry here as the above posters pointed out.

But as my FFL guy pointed out "Just because you are legal now, you be real nice if they pull you over. They can and will take your firearm and take your ass to jail until it gets straightened out. I have every faith that it will get straightened out, but that might take 2 hours or 2 weeks. Up to you what path you want to take. Hey look, your background check came back clean..."

And for the record, the police in the area are not what I consider 'top notch', but YMMV.
 
A different co-worker of mine got pulled over in N. Charleston for having his high beams on and not dimming them (at 5:00 in the evening--still lots of sun now that it is daylight savings time). Anyways, he lets the officer know that there is a pistol in the center console (he doesn't have a CWP). The officer tells him that this is illegal and that the only place a non-CWP can store a weapon is in the glove box or trunk.

That was true like 6 years ago. :banghead:

You'd think of all things that LEOs would keep up on, it would be gun laws.

Anyways, nothing came of it. He went to court (just to pay the "failure to dim lights during the day" fine) and double checked with the LEO there (different guy) to make sure that N. Charleston wasn't trying to abide by a different set of rules. That LEO knew the laws and didn't comment on the other LEO.
 
That's pretty funny. When you show him that we do have reciprocity with NC, you might also want to inform him that if you have a CWP you don't have to have the gun on you or in the glove box. The law says that the gun can be "on or about" your person while in a vehicle.
(I carry a copy of all applicable laws in my glove box in case of situations like this.)
 
SCKimberFan said:
All you need to do is print out the following page from SLED:
http://www.sled.sc.gov/Reciprocity1.aspx?MenuID=CWP
IANAL, but the console is legal according to SC law.
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IMHO, waving papers in Barney's face is =probably= not the best way to go. Be calm, be polite, let Barney know he is "large and in charge", pump his ego and he'll generally let you go. You can always wave papers later if he starts getting uppity. But, be prepared to share a cell for the night with Otis if you do.
 
You'd think of all things that LEOs would keep up on, it would be gun laws.
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Police officers are required to take a class called Law Update as part of their continued education (at least here in Missouri) However if the officer is not "into" guns the usually don’t care, or have not been told about upcoming changes. Try explaining to the cop who pulls you over with your new silencer that it is legal for you to have it.
 
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c023.htm



SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.

It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:

(1) regular, salaried law enforcement officers, and reserve police officers of a state agency, municipality, or county of the State, uncompensated Governor's constables, law enforcement officers of the federal government or other states when they are carrying out official duties while in this State, deputy enforcement officers of the Natural Resources Enforcement Division of the Department of Natural Resources, and retired commissioned law enforcement officers employed as private detectives or private investigators;

(2) members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Guard, organized reserves, or the State Militia when on duty;

(3) members, or their invited guests, of organizations authorized by law to purchase or receive firearms from the United States or this State or regularly enrolled members, or their invited guests, of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting or collecting modern and antique firearms while these members, or their invited guests, are at or going to or from their places of target practice or their shows and exhibits;

(4) licensed hunters or fishermen who are engaged in hunting or fishing or going to or from their places of hunting or fishing while in a vehicle or on foot;

(5) a person regularly engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, repossessing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of this person, while possessing, using, or carrying a handgun in the usual or ordinary course of the business;

(6) guards authorized by law to possess handguns and engaged in protection of property of the United States or any agency of the United States;

(7) members of authorized military or civil organizations while parading or when going to and from the places of meeting of their respective organizations;

(8) a person in his home or upon his real property or a person who has the permission of the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of the home or real property;

(9) a person in a vehicle if the handgun is:

(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver's license, registration, or proof of insurance; or
 
We purchased a new travel trailer last year and plan on doing lots of camping around the southeast. I've made it a point to print out the different state handgun laws for just such a situation, although I doubt I'll be getting pulled over for speeding while pulling a camper.
 
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IMHO, waving papers in Barney's face is =probably= not the best way to go.
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You don't have to "wave the papers in his face" to inform him that he is misinformed. Letting him know the mistake when he shows up with the sticker could save the officer and others issues later on.
 
Wait a minute. Pointing at the console to indicate the location of your firearm is granting permission to search it?

OK, OK, I agree with the "large and in charge" idea, but that sounds a little strange to me.

Somebody educate me. Is there more to it than that?
 
lukepriebe said:
You don't have to "wave the papers in his face" to inform him that he is misinformed. Letting him know the mistake when he shows up with the sticker could save the officer and others issues later on.
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It must work different in Michigan. Anywhere else I've been telling a cop he doesn't know "the rules" rarely ends well for the teller.
 
Maybe it would work better to let his department know. From what I've seen on this forum, people here stand up for their rights so why are we backing down here? I'm not saying that he has to be cocky about it. I just wouldn't like to be told that I am doing something illegal if their own laws say I'm not. How can he uphold the laws if he doesn't know them?
 
Originally Posted by SCKimberFan
All you need to do is print out the following page from SLED:
http://www.sled.sc.gov/Reciprocity1.aspx?MenuID=CWP
IANAL, but the console is legal according to SC law.

IMHO, waving papers in Barney's face is =probably= not the best way to go. Be calm, be polite, let Barney know he is "large and in charge", pump his ego and he'll generally let you go. You can always wave papers later if he starts getting uppity. But, be prepared to share a cell for the night with Otis if you do.
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Please note, I did not tell him to 'wave them in his face'. I gave him the webpage so he could print them out if he so desired.
 
Ignorance of the law is no excuse... wait. That is just for us.

I love my LEO buddies, I do. But, they are woefully uninformed on the laws. Especially if there is a change in one they have been using for a while. 18 year olds can now possess handguns in SC. I bet 50% of LEOs don't know that. (They still can not purchase them.)

Like everyone else, I suggest ass kissing until they take you to jail. Then after you have called your lawyer try to remember everyone's name that should have known that you were being wrongfully arrested and imprisoned and could have stopped it, then sue each of them by name and the department and the government entity, oh and the Chief LEO as well. Drop the suit after it makes the papers and each evolved has had to retain council.

Suing the government is an act of self mutilation and should only be done in desperate times. You have grounds. But it would be doubtful any judge would hear it. Precedent is also not in your favor.

But the threat of having to actually go to court over this situation should make the Chief LEO think that understanding the laws of SC and making them a priority to his officers is in his continued best interest.
 
If you think that some of them don't know the laws, you should see some of them shoot. Before I get bashed, I said some of them.
 
"Integral fastener", not all consoles have them. Mine does, but I carry a copy of the regulation in it also.
 
S&W-Keeper said:
If you think that some of them don't know the laws, you should see some of them shoot. Before I get bashed, I said some of them.
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Oh, I've seen some of them shoot. Worse yet I've been in training with some of them.

When I took my Defensive Pistol at Front Sight I was "muzzled" (that I know of) twice ... both times by LEO's.
 
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