non-firearm options in NY state for self defense?

[hso]

Case law is not the same as exempting/excepting legislation. It strengthens an argument against, but does not provide the assurance of legislation.

The difference is very important when facing an LEO or DA who is deciding your immediate future.

 

[drsfmd]

HSO-- broadly I would agree, but in NY they get very specific about laws. If it's not expressly forbidden, it's legal. A cop may harass someone carrying a knife they don't "like" but the individual would get the ticket thrown out and get the knife back.

 

[hso]

The LEO you deal with isn't likely to know or care about case law at this level. He's likely to either "informally" confiscate your knife or he may drag you in on a dangerous weapons charge. After you've posted bail and gotten an attorney to point out the case law precedent to the DA the charges will be dropped and you'll pay the attorney for the time instead of facing court. Far too expensive a proposition to risk.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

One problem with a cane is that if a mugger sees you using one he will likely think your are elderly or disabled and an easy target. So the cane will possibly increase the likelihood you will be attacked.

Let them try and see what happens.

 

[DcHoll]

I used to lice in NYS and Weapon laws are strict, and they are even tougher since I have left there. If the blade of a knife exceeds the palm of your hand depending on the officer you can be arrested, now many people in ny carry a buck knife in a case on thier belt, make sure it is highly visable. or there is the possibility that you can get a taser
the civilian model which allows you to defend your self after you use it and if you actually had to drop the taser to flee the area for safety, the company will replace it, again check with local law enforcement to see if it is legal for you to carry and the requirements. I hope this Helps,,,,Doc

 

[drsfmd]

I used to lice in NYS and Weapon laws are strict, and they are even tougher since I have left there. If the blade of a knife exceeds the palm of your hand depending on the officer you can be arrested, now many people in ny carry a buck knife in a case on thier belt, make sure it is highly visable. or there is the possibility that you can get a taser
the civilian model which allows you to defend your self after you use it and if you actually had to drop the taser to flee the area for safety, the company will replace it, again check with local law enforcement to see if it is legal for you to carry and the requirements. I hope this Helps,,,,Doc

Rubbish. There's no such laws regarding either length or concealment of knives. NYC has a 4 inch blade limit, the rest of the state has no limit. Please know the facts before you spout off.

 

[hso]

DcHoll,

That "palm of the hand" idea and the slightly less silly "length of the badge" rules of thumb are based on the impression that the palm of the hand or length of the badge is 4" so an officer that doesn't carry an accurate scale can have an idea if the blade is longer than the legal 4" length. It isn't law, but it is a quick and dirty way for an LEO to get a quick idea whether they need to whip out a tape measure.

 

[drsfmd]

But again, outside of NYC, there's no length limit in NYS... palm, 4 inches, or otherwise. There's no need for a tape measure when there's no limit on blade length.