Not Dead Yet: M1 Carbine

[JCooperfan1911]

To all the naysayers that say the M1 carbine is dead. The Israeli police and security people beg to differ:



Duty ammo is Federal 110 grain soft tip:


Yes the Israelis are still using the venerable and legendary U.S. .30 caliber M1 carbine to arm their guards. Very neat the old warhorse is still out there. They are using Choate folding stocks to make them more compact and locally manufactured 2-point rifle slings. Standard duty ammo is Federal soft points. Also wood stocked guns are also in use.

Just thought I would share. I really like the looks of those Choate folders and could make for a handy and compact camping or scouting package. Might have to get one.

 

[Alex Clayton]

Damn! With that ammo they would make a wicked good little rifle for that kind of work!!

 

[lightman]

Well, you learn something new every once in a while!

 

[Wildbillz]

I would like one of the stocks and the ventilated hand guard they have on it. I have one in the safe but I need to find some mags at a reasonable cost.

WB

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

And really, why not?

Excluding the *could'a had a V8* mentality normally over represented in arming, The M1 Carbine is still damn hard to beat at its own game.

Todd.

 

[HankC]

Please tell them it is venerable and legendary, ship to US as surplus and C&R.

 

[Ironicaintit]

I’ve been on the fence about getting a Choate folder for mine for a while, but I’d kind of forgotten about it.

And then this thread got my gears going again!

so I went ahead and bought this
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=11777&idcategory=109

I’m a fan of most things Israeli, so I don’t mind that it’s surplus,

 

[Speedo66]

I would like one of the stocks and the ventilated hand guard they have on it. I have one in the safe but I need to find some mags at a reasonable cost.

WB

If they have them in stock, AIM Surplus has good prices on the Korean 15 and 30 rounders that work well.

 

[.455_Hunter]

I would take the M1 carbine over many of the current plastic fantastics- SCAR, Tavor, etc.

 

[Swampman]

I would like one of the stocks and the ventilated hand guard they have on it. I have one in the safe but I need to find some mags at a reasonable cost.

WB

I'm not certain, but I think the 15 round Korean Carbine mags that I got a few years back were KCI. They perform as well as my old USGI mags.

https://www.jgsales.com/m1-carbine-15rd-kci-magazine,-blued-steel,-new.-p-3142.html

No personal experience with the 30's, but reviews seem generally good.
https://www.jgsales.com/m1-carbine-30rd-kci-magazine,-blued-steel,-new.-p-1723.html

I got mine from AIM Surplus, they're considerably cheaper, but currently out of stock.

 

[army_eod]

That ammo generates 1000 ft lbs at muzzle. Not shabby.

 

[Jimster]

Love my carbine. Fun to reload the ammo and fun to plink with. Love how the action feels as it cycles. Makes me think of our WW2 warriors when I shoot it or just handle it while sitting in my recliner. My wife says I’m “gun fondling”.

 

[Speedo66]

Makes me think of our WW2 warriors when I shoot it or just handle it while sitting in my recliner. My wife says I’m “gun fondling”.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.....

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Damn! With that ammo they would make a wicked good little rifle for that kind of work!!

The Brazilians thought the .30 Carbine would make a dandy CQB cartridge for use in dense urban combat, with less noise, recoil, and penetration than the .223.

Unfortunately, the rifle that Taurus made up for it, the CT30, was a dismal failure.

https://www.armoryblog.com/news/brazilian-police-returning-1500-taurus-ct30-carbines/

 

[AlexanderA]

The Israelis are famous for making do with what they've got. (An example would be their upgrading and using WW2 Sherman tanks long after they were considered obsolete everywhere else.) Just because the Israelis use something, that does not imply that it's an endorsement as being the best in the world.

 

[crestoncowboy]

M1 carbine over many of the current plastic fantastics

The tavor and scar aren't pistol caliber carbines either. I love my M1s. My winchester that my grandfather had would be the absolute last gun id give up if I ever had to part out my collection. Ive been on many m1 carbine threads on here. Ive never messed with a scar enough to have an opinion but I have used the Tavor a good bit. I do not like it. Not bad. But not for me



But id take a slew of modern or modernish (Mp5 in 10mm. Ump or similar) pcc/sub machine gun over my heavy long M1s if I had to stand around like these guys are.

Good guns no doubt. But I do think there are far better choices now. And have been for nearly 40 years.

I still drive a 66 and a 79 car. Just because I like them. No doubt though that there are far better choices.

 

[Riomouse911]

When you are living with your back to the sea, literally surrounded by people who have sworn to destroy you since the dawn of time, you learn to make what weapons you have as effective as possible whether surplus or home grown. Israel and the people there don’t mess around with safety and security.

I had a Choate folder mounted on an SKS many years ago. That was a well made snd versatile addition to the $90.00 Chinese rifle I bought from an importer with (literally) a warehouse full of them. I’m sure it’ll work well on the .30 Carbine also.

Stay safe.

 

[.455_Hunter]

The tavor and scar aren't pistol caliber carbines either. I love my M1s. My winchester that my grandfather had would be the absolute last gun id give up if I ever had to part out my collection. Ive been on many m1 carbine threads on here. Ive never messed with a scar enough to have an opinion but I have used the Tavor a good bit. I do not like it. Not bad. But not for me



But id take a slew of modern or modernish (Mp5 in 10mm. Ump or similar) pcc/sub machine gun over my heavy long M1s if I had to stand around like these guys are.

Good guns no doubt. But I do think there are far better choices now. And have been for nearly 40 years.

I still drive a 66 and a 79 car. Just because I like them. No doubt though that there are far better choices.

I have never heard the M1 carbine described has "heavy and long" before, nor is it a true PCC, but to each their own...

 

[JCooperfan1911]

The Israelis are famous for making do with what they've got. (An example would be their upgrading and using WW2 Sherman tanks long after they were considered obsolete everywhere else.) Just because the Israelis use something, that does not imply that it's an endorsement as being the best in the world.

Who claimed it was the best in the world?

Nobody here did so you might be confused? It will still certainly WORK though, and it works well.

 

[JCooperfan1911]

I have never heard the M1 carbine described has "heavy and long" before, nor is it a true PCC, but to each their own...

35” long (with standard wood stock) and weighs in at a staggering 5 1/2 lbs. What a porker right?

This fellow seems very confused. Also, the .30 carbine generates 1000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy driving a 110 grain bullet at 2000 FPS. This approaches the energy of .223 carbine numbers and smokes any pistol caliber carbine firing service pistol cartridges yet is actually lighter than many PCCs on the market today.

Jim Cirillo of the NYPD stakeout squad during the 1970s reported superb results when using soft point ammo against robbers, claiming it dropped them quicker than just about anything else they had (including 12 gauge buckshot believe it or not).

 

[army_eod]

Yep. Love our carbine.

 

[AK103K]

I like the Carbines with the original stocks. They arent really a chore, nor are they that big.

Some of the folders look cool, and seem like a good idea, but once you live with them awhile, and see what they are really like, they really are not all that great. They very often suck to shoot with too.

 

[army_eod]

Ours is a NPM Nam bring back. Excellent condition and a great shooter.

 

[mjsdwash]

an M1 could easily work with soft point bullets. Imagine a RNSP 110 grain bullet at 2000 fps. Its just too bad no one will make a modern CNC/casting produced version for a price the market will support. They actually are one of the best overall rifles ever made. An AR in 300AAC will do everything as well, with an extra 400fps, and only one lb heavier (at least mine) so that takes away a lot of the market, buts I would buy one with a cast slide, receiver, MIM trigger group and Beach stock for $700 if it worked decent. Not going to pay $2000 though. Even machined, there is a lot of room to lower that price, but those who want them will pay it, and no guarantee if you lower the cost more will jump on board. Maybe one day Ruger could make one under the Marlin name. The Mini is proof the M1C design can be cost effective. The M1C is considerable less complex than a Mini anyway.

 

[mjsdwash]

35” long (with standard wood stock) and weighs in at a staggering 5 1/2 lbs. What a porker right?

This fellow seems very confused. Also, the .30 carbine generates 1000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy driving a 110 grain bullet at 2000 FPS. This approaches the energy of .223 carbine numbers and smokes any pistol caliber carbine firing service pistol cartridges yet is actually lighter than many PCCs on the market today.

Jim Cirillo of the NYPD stakeout squad during the 1970s reported superb results when using soft point ammo against robbers, claiming it dropped them quicker than just about anything else they had (including 12 gauge buckshot believe it or not).

Easy to confuse a garand for a carbine, they have the same name. I would call the Garand long and heavy. Carbine on the other hand not so much. I like the m1c but wouldn't pay the price for one, and built a 300aac AR instead, and load 110gr 30m1c bullets to 2050 fps. At 6.2 lbs, its comparatively heavy, but still damn light.

Of course if the poster was calling the M1C long and heavy... well, I guess there is always the Davy Crickett.