Not happy with ammo purchase

[ny32182]

If you are going to load .223 anyway, just get a case gauge now and spot check some at a minimum. If they didn't set the shoulder back far enough it is very difficult to see visually, but it can still lock up your gun pretty tight.

(I learned this on my first ever batch of .223 years ago).

 

[Swampman]

Buy it wholesale by the ton from government auction.

If you honestly think that guarantees that those multi ton lots of brass are all once fired, you're entitled to your illusions.

There were regulations 30+ years ago prohibiting the use of personally owned weapons and nonstandard ammunition on USMC ranges. I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who violated those rules.

I suppose it's possible that every Marine, soldier, sailor and airmen of today's military strictly adheres to all rules and regs, but I highly doubt it.

I'd be willing to bet that there are still a few instances of people using personal weapons and ammo on govt ranges.

 

[MarshallDodge]

If you honestly think that guarantees that those multi ton lots of brass are all once fired, you're entitled to your illusions.

There is never a guarantee of anything but when you are dealing with millions of rounds of military brass, the dilution of a tiny amount personal brass, let alone brass that has already been reloaded, is kind of a silly argument...kind of like your signature.

The big dogs, like Black Hills or Freedom, have the quality checks in place to make sure you are getting good brass in the ammo that you purchase from them. Whether or not it is once fired or not becomes a mute point.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

Only a fool would shoot someone else's reloads. Buyer beware.

 

[John Joseph]

At one time there was a commercial reloader who supplied most of the range pistol ammo for several LE Agencies and his reloaded ammo was available to shooters as well. It was good stuff, and economical too---perfect for a college kid on a tight budget. Sadly he's long gone. I think the company is still around but I don't know what the quality is like.
Woody, who ran the police range hand loaded ammo, but not commercially. The APs from the local Air Guard used the range for qualifications and they'd swap their gov't issued Winchester-Western Match .38's for Woody's reloaded ammo because they'd get better qualifying scores. Woody sold me six boxes of that W-W Match ammo for the princely sum of $12 back in the early 80's.
So reloaded ammo can be good As I said, Black Hills I'll trust but these are exceptions.
You're better off getting a press and making your own unless you're a complete klutz.

 

[Swampman]

Most quality remanufacturers only use once fired brass...People are gullible enough to buy this ammo without understanding what they are really getting.

My apologies, I should have understood that when you said: "Most quality remanufacturers only use once fired brass", that what you really meant was: "The big dogs, like Black Hills or Freedom, have the quality checks in place to make sure you are getting good brass in the ammo that you purchase from them. Whether or not it is once fired or not becomes a mute point."

But then I've always had problems with reading comprehension. Maybe your statements mean the same thing to some people.

Sorta like I can't understand why people don't know: "what they are really getting" when they buy commercial reloads. Could it be because they listen to bad advice on the internet like: "Most quality remanufacturers only use once fired brass"?

Originally posted by: MarshallDodge...the dilution of a tiny amount personal brass, let alone brass that has already been reloaded, is kind of a silly argument...kind of like your signature.

Do you honestly believe that a bad case would be somehow "diluted" because it was only one out of a million or two?

NEWS FLASH, not if it's fired in YOUR rifle! Catastrophic case failures aren't caused by the AVERAGE lack of tensile strength in millions of cases. They're usually due to ONE bad case.
The average doesn't mean jack if the one that just blew up your rifle had the head annealed in a burn barrel one cold day at the Fort Riley range.

I don't say these things because I lack confidence in quality commercial remanufactured ammunition. I'm just pointing out the untrue and nonsensical claims that you've made. I stated earlier in the thread that Black Hills Blue Box is as accurate and reliable as my handloads.

You've already gone from claiming that "Most quality remanufacturers only use once fired brass" to saying that it doesn't matter how many times they've been fired because "quality checks" are in place. Which claim is true? Logic tells us that it can't be both.

I can't wait to see where you take us next!

I just hope you don't continue using the tactic of attacking my sig line.

That's way worse than me pointing out that you don't know the difference between "mute" and "moot".

Maybe you should try looking up the definitions and putting the one you misused into practice...