Now its armor piercing rounds

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California is mandating a "get the led out" for hunting. Now in specific zones, statewide by 2019. Target shooting anything is okay so far, though they did try to ban the gree tip stuff.

Part of California's ban on hunting with ammo containing lead (meaning you must transition to TSX, GMX, Etips, etc.) includes the caveat that if the copper monos are ever ruled to be "armor piercing", the restriction will be waived.
 
"With him having a vest, I bet they go after those also."

Californian Democrats have already started on that a few years ago. I don't think any of their measures were signed into law yet though. Expect it to pass in today's hysterical environment. If H gets in, it will be nation wide.
 
At 50 yards my model 94 Winchester rifle in 32 Special with 170gr s/p bullets punched through a 1/4" steel plate. It was just mild steel but the bullets went through with no problem.
Hardly "armor piercing" ammo but I doubt that a regular issue vest would have much effect to slow it down.
 
California is mandating a "get the led out" for hunting. Now in specific zones, statewide by 2019. Target shooting anything is okay so far, though they did try to ban the gree tip stuff.

This is where I say "do you want EVERYONE to be shooting rounds that will zip right through even low-level plate armor? Because this is how you get EVERYONE shooting rounds that will zip right through even low-level plate armor"

Funny that the Kali ban has an escape clause if copper slugs are ruled to be 'piercing,' itself funny because even a small amount of alloying agents in that material (zinc or beryllium) is expressly forbidden by the federal statute. If Cu solids get banned, all that will happen is a whole lot of people with lathes will say 'screw it' and being turning slugs from solid brass round...which is why I put that statement up top, there.

The only material that's even close to being as economical as lead for shooting is iron/steel, and they've basically already banned that for the most part. Take copper-based alloys out of the picture, and you're left with either precious or highly toxic heavy metals.

Platinum-Iridium solids, for the win! :p

*This is why LEOPA should be either repealed, or at the very least replaced with something that makes a lick of sense. I once proposed all the stupid requirements be replaced with two very simple ones: 1) no material used may be harder than mild steel (easily satisfied by a wide range of materials) 2) no material used may be denser than lead (easily avoided by not using Uranium, Tungsten or other poisonous/expensive heavy metals). These two rules would restrict all the types of ammo they are actually concerned with, while placing few arbitrary restrictions on us, otherwise. It's still a stupid policy to pursue since you just need a fast enough bullet with high enough sectional density to punch through anything, but you have a system that is far more objective than what we have now, and still achieves whatever supposed benefits LEOPA has for officer safety.

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The one video of the bad guy shooting the one officer after having a battle around the large columns then being rushed and shot in the back had a LOT of sparking impacts going on..both from the shooter and apparently other Police shooting back at him. So it looks like they might have been using steel core or jacketed ammo too! But like everyone here knows...no soft armor is going to even slow down a rifle bullet no matter what it's made of.

Years ago the Democrats were trying to ban 'Armor Piercing' ammo and proposed a test against a vest and if it penetrated it would be banned. Problem was they used a soft ClassII (going from memory but I think that's right) which won't stop even 22 Mags from a rifle barrel sometimes so basically they wanted to ban every rifle round. The more they could ban the happier they would be.
 
But like everyone here knows...no soft armor is going to even slow down a rifle bullet no matter what it's made of.
Least of all a high-velocity, high-sectional density round like 5.45

Not many people understand what makes something go through a hard plate, or go through a tough fiber, or through a brittle ceramic. Least of all politicians. Which is why we have the dumb laws we have.

A vest-based test would at least have some bearing on reality & the problem they claim to want solved, but naturally the standard would eliminate most centerfire rifle rounds, and every single non-lead-based projectile, so it is a bridge to far for them (for now)

TCB
 
Least of all a high-velocity, high-sectional density round like 5.45

Not many people understand what makes something go through a hard plate, or go through a tough fiber, or through a brittle ceramic. Least of all politicians. Which is why we have the dumb laws we have.

A vest-based test would at least have some bearing on reality & the problem they claim to want solved, but naturally the standard would eliminate most centerfire rifle rounds, and every single non-lead-based projectile, so it is a bridge to far for them (for now)

TCB

If they were a little bit enterprising they would find a standard hard armour (specific standard for the material, distance, angle, number of samples, catch material behind to record the effect after pass through, etc) for this test, in theory, if they thought they could get it passed.
 
The ammo they want to ban could have helped in Niece yesterday. And now they don't want the minions to have access to it .:banghead: Nothing new here ---just move along and ignore the man behind the curtain.
 
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