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Now that's just weird

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Two shots, extremely slow to deploy, probably very awkward to shoot, expensive to start with and has a good chance of being classified as an AOW making it even more expensive.

It's half the size of a Kel-Tec P3AT and clones, and that's the only positive to it. If I needed a gun significantly smaller than my P3AT, and a Seecamp .32 was still too big, I'd buy an NAA mini revolver short before I bought that thing.
 
Weird would be correct!

Why not just a normal .380 break-top derringer?? It wouldn't be hardly bigger would it?
 
I'm failing to see the ergonomics of this. Looks like a pain in the keister to hold/aim and uncomfortable as all get out.

One review I found on youtube about this had the guy raving on how this thing "might just reinvent the way we think about pocket carry".

"Now it takes a minute to get it ready; you have to flip up a couple of wings, get that trigger mechanism set up. But it is compact, disappears in your pocket, and it's ready to rock."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09JrwcSdGY

Seems to me that the LAST thing I would want for a self-defense weapon is something with instructions skin to "some assembly required" in order to use it.


Sheesh.
 
Oh, my gosh, this just made me think of From Dusk till Dawn... :D

No, I won't post the hilarious gif of the concealed gatling gun deploying, because it could probably be deemed somehow offensive, by somebody, somewhere :rolleyes:

TCB
 
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Hard to use. Not ergonomic at all. Only two rounds. Expensive. Just don't see this selling well at all. Maybe a dozen or so to people who want something different for collector purposes. Anyone who thinks flicking off the safety on a 1911 is to much to do needs to see this.

On a side note, I really like the GMC in the video.
 
As much as I wouldn't spend the money on one, I like seeing new and unique ideas in gun designs, even if they're not practical.
 
I see that gadget as potentially useful against arthritic armed thugs on crutches.

Even that girl in the video, who probably has practiced with it a thousand times, takes way too long to get it into action.

Guess I'll stick with my 642.
 
I suspect BATFE will call that an "any other weapon" as they have done with other guns that don't look like guns. We shall see. Meantime, I have gotten right on it and not placed an order.

Jim
 
It's obviously not suited for armed combat aka Jack Bauer walking the streets. And neither are most of us.

I see a lot of complaining about speed of deployment and that is exactly why it's not the top pick for that. It wouldn't even get consideration by any competent user, so why complain? It's like saying a slip lock jack knife in the pocket won't get into action very fast. Of course not - a clipped lockback with Assisted Opening would be better.

It's two shots. Ok. Not magazine fed, yet Derringers sell well with just two shots, and others in this class were only one shot. Most are not self loading.

So, who do these sell to? To somebody who acknowledges and already understands it's not their primary firearm in street combat. Knowing that, they aren't bothered with it in that role because they know and understand it's not suitable.

It's a last ditch back up style gun. Even the Palm Protector wasn't an IDPA type race gun, and I exaggerate to make the point - comparing it to one is just trash talking it.

Evaluate it for what it is, not what someone thinks they should use walking the mean streets. Nobody would attempt to use just a two shot derringer, a Stinger Liberator, or Double Tap as their duty gun. But some do carry them - they are Back Up Guns, meant for the last resort.

In less combative situations, they are also something to have, which is better than nothing - or even a pocket knife, which we know isn't what you bring to a gun fight.

As for it being an AOW, I believe the question was already resolved and why it is going into production. That leads to it's price point and where it will be on the marketplace. Is there anything else like it? No. And that alone will be the draw, there will be some who would be happy to own it. The trade in this category of guns with collectors is fairly brisk, there is more demand than supply, and the older examples - which aren't made any more - are trading for good prices.

It's not about immediate self defense, it's about owning a lethal weapon in a different guise. Entirely what drives interest in the Magpul MPG9 and others. It's something that has a limited interest, yes, but the hurdles to jump in getting one mean you have to be an adult, and have the entry fee. So, the casual shooter and gun carrier isn't getting one. And just as well, the odds one of them would misuse it are a lot higher. We may balk at the anti gunners notions we are a bunch of beer swilling rednecks or domestic terrorists, but they do exist and we recognize one when we see them in the news. A $500 premium keeps the riff raff from owning one. Instant reputation protection. Is that deserved? Do other makers jack their prices up and tell you that you are buying quality? A $1,200 AR15 doesn't materially differ from a $650 one, they are just bullet launchers. It's the owners who repeat the hype that one is "far superior."

That might be damning it with faint praise, I don't think Bondhus is going to complain much as they bank the deposits and get production rolling. I see it creating a new class of firearms. It's modern steampunk - check the finishing, what kind of screws, shaping, etc. Lots of plain black guns are out there, this isn't. It looks more like a digital camera, and sitting on a shelf with them would make it disappear. Like a lot of titanium neck knives or other self defense items, it fits into a category of lethal pocket jewelry, and the EDC crowd will eat it up.

If you tend toward lockbacks with G10 scales in alternating colors, AAA flashlights with lumen ratings expressed in hundreds, titanium key chain tools or cell phone cases, it's a natural. Getting dissed it's not a duty gun is valueless. It's not a doublestack DA belt holster duty gun, geez, why even mention it? It's an interesting take on a back up gun, and will likely do well for the short time the market allows.

If it grow legs and goes into another caliber, gets a discreet holster, someone offers CF or G10 blast guards, Crimson Trace offers an upgrade laser, so much the better. So far, tho, I'm hearing arguments based on a pretentious comparison it can't do what it wasn't built or designed to do.

Well, Camry's aren't capable of hauling a pallet of sheetrock, either.
 
Post....

The last post goes all over & honestly makes no sense. :confused:
Why carry any weapon if you can't use it properly or deploy it quickly. Either as a main or back up weapon.
Would you stop a violent thug & say; "hey, wait a tick while I get my little 2 shot gadget gun ready"? :rolleyes:

Guns are not toys or "conversation starters". If you pull this little 2 shot weapon out you better be ready to use it.

As noted too, $795.00 retail alone would turn me away. ;)
 
I would think that a two shot weapon carried as backup to a repeater would be something you needed to be able to get at in a hurry. You have some chance of seeing trouble coming and having your primary weapon ready, I saw an item recently that said fast draw was seldom a critical tactic. But if it quits on you, you need that spare right away.
 
Weird?? perhaps, but is it any more weird than a huge frigging revolve that shoots an inaccurate .45 Colt cartridge and also a .410 shot shell? Or perhaps a lever action rifle cut down to ( Steve McQueen special ) to hand gun length that still requires two hands to shoot well? When it comes to firearms I don't think there's anything too weird not to sell. for a very deep concealment weapon it could suffice.:)
 
One has to consider some alternative situations to find where this might be useful:

Do you work in an office, where dressing around ANY gun in a holster might be difficult? Or where someone noticing 'Gun!' could have serious repercussions?

For an LEO, this would potentially pass a pat-down; there's something to be said for a gun a bad guy can't identify as a gun.

For a young lady who wants protection, but can't manage to wear/hide a standard pistol, this could likely fit into a purse pocket and not raise any eyebrows; it also seems (from what the video shows) that it would be safe to carry that way.

It's not the gun I would buy, but I can probably think of a few more situations where it would be the alternative of having NO gun....


Larry
 
For an LEO, this would potentially pass a pat-down; there's something to be said for a gun a bad guy can't identify as a gun.

Ummm...no.

Most people don't know how truly invasive a real frisk is. "Pat down" is really a BS term derived from TV and movie scenes. In fact, anybody conducting a frisk by "patting" is very likely to be missing a whole lot of stuff, and I'm not talking about small stuff, either.

A true frisk is like a whole body grope...EVERY nook and cranny is explored with a rubbing/gripping fashion. A properly performed frisk will find things like pins concealed in clothing seams.

Everything found in a frisk is checked, too.

Now, how thorough a frisk is performed is based on the circumstances requiring the frisk. An outer clothing frisk is not nearly so invasive as a full body frisk.

These are things I learned while in the Navy during a stint ashore where one of the things I got to do was brig escort duty. I didn't do any frisking, as it wasn't my job, but they were explained and even demonstrated.

I'll let a LEO talk any specifics with respect to civilian law enforcement frisking, but I seriously doubt there is much, if any, difference.
 
I was referring to the 'frisk' a criminal might give a disarmed LEO, ala the 'Onion Field', Chief, not what an LEO does to a person in custody. This could serve the same purpose as an NAA revolver in a handcuff holder, for instance.


Larry
 
If it cost half as much and if it required only one simple manipulation to get into action it might be viable.
 
It does bring to mind s*x machine's double cylinder by buckle revolver.
 
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