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[Crashola]

Glad he called out the media for their complicity. Each time this has happened, their sensationalized 24/7 coverage has given every loner-wacko in the country a blueprint for infamy.

 

[Double Vision]

Aside from the school shield plan, I liked that they focused on "monster" control rather than gun control.

 

[csspecs]

Video games are not the culprit here. That is like blaming guns for shootings. Video games are a form of entertainment, not unlike movies or books.

You might as well blame "Two and a Half Men" for causing you to have liver failure because you drank like Charlie Sheen after watching it.

We like our freedom. Passing out the blame to others in the mob is at least useful in slowing the mob and quelling their anger.

Blaming media for promoting the message of violence, helps your average tv viewer to stop taking the words of CNN as gospel truth and to ask some questions.

Clearly Video games will not get banned on the words of the NRA. Including them in the blame lets people vent on other parties as well.

 

[XGibsonX]

Crashola: Very sad and very true

A matter of when not if. . .

 

[raa-7]

Well, like others say too,who do you think the press will favor or talk about?? I think we should have put qualified,trained and armed people at all of our schools a long time ago but of course when that idea came about,all the gun haters stomped the idea.And it's really sad that these killings have to happen before anything is done ! Or will anything be done?I did think it was good to be said that gun control is not the problem ! I hope and pray that something good can happen for the futre.

 

[smalls]

At least he specifically centered on video games and movies that glorify murder instead of all violent video games in general.

However, as a gamer I still think it's a low blow.

Personally, I've played Grand Theft Auto, and I've never beaten and robbed a streetwalker or gotten in shootouts with the cops.

Because I'm sure at some point your parents sat you down and said "Skribs, do you realize the difference between the violence in this video game/movie and real life?"

And you either showed that you understood the difference, or they taught you the difference.

 

[Kiln]

We like our freedom. Passing out the blame to others in the mob is at least useful in slowing the mob and quelling their anger.

Blaming media for promoting the message of violence, helps your average tv viewer to stop taking the words of CNN as gospel truth and to ask some questions.

Clearly Video games will not get banned on the words of the NRA. Including them in the blame lets people vent on other parties as well.

Instead of spreading the blame, maybe we could actually work on the problem and put more guards inside of the schools. I can agree with this message at least.

Picking on video games just shows how out of touch some of these guys are with the world today.

 

[AlexanderA]

The purpose of the press conference was to reinforce the existing pro-gun support, and to stall for time. That's a good strategy. The real negotiations will take place later. They'll be done in Congress, with the NRA as only an indirect participant. If this thing maintains momentum (and it's an open question whether it will), some serious compromises may be necessary to avoid a complete disaster for gun owners. It's too early to discuss this now.

 

[xwingband]

I don't have a problem with the stance on video games... I'm a young man. I have played Call of Duty and other war simulation games. I hear CHILDREN all the time on it. IMO they really have no business playing it. Research has shown for children that they don't have the same judgement and distinction between reality and play. To a child that has never handled a real firearm the game does distort and send a weird message. Half the time I think the games are where anti's get their info from...

The real issue is some will say that we shouldn't dictate how people parent... oh well. If this results in a stricter rating system on games and retailers step up to not sell to children, I'm okay with that.

 

[Yo Mama]

I think now, more than ever, that we are going to win this fight.

If you mean the AWB, maybe, maybe not

If you mean protecting our children, nope. What he said could not have been more true, and if we as a nation agreed to act now then we would win this fight.

But the 30 minute press conference ended with media doing exactly what Wayne said they would do. We have this golden chance to change how we as a nation act, but sadly I do not believe this will happen.

 

[XGibsonX]

It is EXACTLY the proper move to navigate the horns of the dilemma.

It makes perfect sense. Your debate protagonist has demonstrated a proclivity to damn inanimate objects and refused discursive thought. The proper move is to counter by damning his beloved objects make no mistake Hollywood is a wonderful target. Then when they start whoa, wait a moment! Then they might well decide that pieces of celluloid have certain qualities in common with pieces of steel. . . then reason smacks then in the face, well maybe

 

[mgmorden]

I too am saddened to hear him put any blame on video games. The studies and research have shown absolutely no link between video games and violence. Continuing to place blame there is basically the approach the anti's take to guns. Basically, "I don't care what the facts say I just chose to believe what I believe for no logical reason.".

That said, most of the rest of the speech was good and I wholeheartedly agree with placing armed security in the schools. A neighboring county here just unanimously voted to place a police officer in all elementary schools this past week. Hopefully that will be extended to all schools and some other areas soon.

 

[BCCL]

For those asking for the video

FIXED:This should be the full video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgu9f-qd_Uo

 

[coolluke01]

This link was only long enough to see the protester! :banghead:

 

[VVelox]

The video game chunk and guards chunk is really going to come back to bite us.

The video game chunk just managed to massively isolate them and begin getting them mocked in lots of various media outlets, which is problematic as any of the points of value will be ignored because of it.

The armed guards part is problematic as we don't have any where near a large enough issue with violence in schools to justify something like that in general.

 

[morcey2]

The armed guards part is problematic as we don't have any where near a large enough issue with violence in schools to justify something like that in general.

They why are we having this inane discussion anyway? The MSM and anti's want the children to be safe and the NRA just proposed something that actually accomplishes that.

 

[coolluke01]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/2...-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun/

 

[VVelox]

morcey2, right, but it was approached really ham fistedly. Following a dumb argument with another dumb argument is not a good strategy. They should of worked on dispelling the irrational fear of gun toting nutters going around shooting up the place instead of playing it up.

 

[XGibsonX]

Much as I expected, here.

 

[wtr100]

High point for me

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away ... or a minute away?

A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.

I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.
Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by that I mean armed security.

 

[XGibsonX]

It is not an argument. Neither are.

Argumentation has rules.

It is precisely designed to Socratically make one see the specious nature of their own claim.

This is still the under 25, never had a logic class in my life but I know it all, crowd. Only slightly a step ahead of the imbecile.

Adios.

 

[Phatty]

Didn't agree with everything (when do I ever ) but overall I was really happy with the press conference. The NRA did not cave in the least bit and I was really proud of them for standing their ground. The best way to determine if the NRA said the right thing is to look at the liberal media and see the reaction. So far so good, because it is already apparent that they are furious with the NRA's statements and attacking the NRA.

 

[gym]

I just made a donation to the NRA, yes things are tight, but it's the only way to really do something positive for all of us. By the way some of what he said were things I mentioned last week and got reemed for. The Video games and movies, specifically. These have an effect on mental cases who sit in the house and do nothing but obsess on violent behavior.
And the mental health problem, the elephant in the room, that we have no money to fix. I also volunteered for any type of part time patrol, of our schools or other soft targets in my area.
These are the things that I can actually do to help, we should all find something positive we can do instead of arguing about these things every day, a realistic approach is something that benefits us and our rights, otherwise no one should complain because if you aren't part of the solution, sitting back and demanding things that we know won't happen, "like this is going to go away", is just a waste of time. We should all ask ourselves what can I do to try and save lives and shape public opinion.
If thousands of NRA members were allowed to patrol schools, all of a sudden the NRA would be the good guys.
If that never happens then so be it, but at least we tried, someone should start a formal petition to petition the state or federal govt, to allow qualified NRA members to patrol schools immediatlly. Not to stop and search, just to patrol the outside of the buildings until a formal test of competancy could be made up.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

Wow, thanks Derek.