NRA petition to fire AG Holder

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"and Wild Cat....for the record.....You dont know what this administration has up it's sleeve....... "


Really? Really? I mean really?

By your logic your opinion is equally incorrect, no?


Under Obama/Holder I can now carry into National Parks.
 
Under Obama/Holder I can now carry into National Parks.

wild cat, you're telling me obama and holder see the light ?....you have to be kidding me.......and heres a clue......NOT voting against something isnt the same as voting FOR it.....save your blue smoke for someone else, obama as a Senator voted 127 time as "present"......so tell me, what legislation did he support....or not ?.........like I said....you still dont know what holder or obama are up to.....or what lengths they are willing to go....to accomplish their goals.......


and NOTE, wild cat avoided the question about the ATF

what government Mandate does the ATF have to Violate US and Mexican Laws ?, and to achieve what goal?....ATF wasnt created to put guns in the hands of criminals
 
Gentlemen (used loosely),

The topic is the Holder "recall" for his involvement in withholding information related to the BATFE Fast and Furious debacle.

The inevitable sideline arguments about broader issues deserves it's own discussion thread.
 
Well is he hell bent to kill all guns or not? Because if he didn't shoot down the National Park carry that doesn't sound hell bent to me (or anyone with a middle ground approach to life) when he has the power to do it.

I answered you point by the difference between Fast and Furious vs Gunrunner. They are not the same.
 
wild cat, you seem to think you have a hand on the pulse of this administration....so tell ME whats in the language of the UN Small arms treaty Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State agreed to?......,I'll be more than Happy to initiate a thread for this discussion,
 
I guess I have lost some respect for the NRA that they would even waste money bothering with such a petition. Obama and Holder are joined at the hip and so identical in thought and action that they are virtual carbon copies of one another. Asking Obama to fire Holder would be like asking him to chop off his own arms.

Petition? Silly nonsense.

Jim
 
Whether it is any good or not it is just extra fodder for the discussion. I added mine.
 
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One more Supreme Court justice appointee, and Obama WILL take your guns away. We are very close to losing all of it.


This is one aspect of this government that truly frightens me, the mere concept the US Constitution "needs" interpreted by every administraion is and Outrage, the thought that "ONE" person (Supreme Court Justice) has THAT much power is to say the least unnerving, and I find it difficult to belive our Founding Fathers ever trusted such a minority with so much power, indeed I feel the US Constitution hasnt just been ignored it's been undermined with Lies like "Supreme court Justices are appointed for Life" which is a Patently FALSE Statement, they are as the Constitution points out clearly "Apointed for Periods of good behavior"....NOT Life, the constant twisting and spining must be STOPPED and it must be pointed out, and our Children MUST learn it's Value, and no matter WHAT it takes, we have to fight this, as if it was WWIII, it is our last chance to save America from the throws of GOD Knows what.......
 
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Well is he hell bent to kill all guns or not? Because if he didn't shoot down the National Park carry that doesn't sound hell bent to me (or anyone with a middle ground approach to life) when he has the power to do it.

I answered you point by the difference between Fast and Furious vs Gunrunner. They are not the same.


1st, what difference does it make for him to allow guns on OUR property, only to ban them 6 months from now by the UN Small Arms treaty?, you act as if neither an Outright ban, or any form of Tyrrany is possible with this Administration......you underestimate obamas hatered for America, and you underestimate Americans resolve to stop him....

2nd, you didnt answer my question about mandate,. because the ATF has NO Mandate to put guns in the hands of criminals, that was never the intent of the Agency, it is a Tax collection Arm of the IRS and US Treasury, not a facillitator of Illegal Gun sales.

and the "Government cannot Give something they never HAD in the first place, the Right to limit my self preservation.....what part of "Shall Not Be Infringed cant you come to Grips with" ?
 
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This admin has prevented shooters from getting some millions of M1s back from Korea , as I remember.

Doesnt appear your are an NRA member so why does the NRAs activities bother you??
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Again with the M1's? People...GO TO THE CMP! The rifles over the last year have been amazing. Besides, the US shouldn't buy back guns they already own.
 
To the everlasting joy of mainstream media and the Obama administration, many are looking for a reason to lessen their respect of the NRA. To float a petition to remove Holder, arguably the most corrupt AG we've had in my lifetime from office, is a meaningful action. Whether or not it results in his resignation or not. To stand by and do nothing is unacceptable. If nothing else it draws attention to the actions of this "justice" department and administration.
 
Holder put together an unlawful gun running scheme designed to put weapons in the hands of drug runners, thus cause a reaction in public opinion to support new gun laws. His illegal activities, which he is currently attempting to cover up, caused the death of police officers. That won't be difficult to prove. So yes, Mr Mc, I am very serious. Even if you don't subscribe to motive, which I can tell you won't, the facts remain. It was an illegal program that was his responsibility. That is the definition of corruption. He is criminally responsible for the deaths that took place.
 
Oh for God's sake do you know anything but FACTUALLY WRONG talking points?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/int...un-ban-treaty/

That UN 'international gun ban'...doesn't even exist.

NRA lie number a million. Literally made up by the NRA-if you care to read.

Most corrupt AG? Are you serious?
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wild cat, this will be my last post to you on this subject, here is a LINK to the UN's Own site, you'll have to navigate a bit to find and actually READ the pages on "Small Arms", and others.....it's there, and running off to "FactCheck.Org" only proves you are so far to the left, talking with you is simply an exersize in futility, to someone who is so well indoctrinated by liberal progressives the right hand cant seem to see what the left hand is doing......that while they tell US they dont want Our guns....they are slowly but surely finding more creative ways to Bypass our system of Government, towards Confiscation............................for The "New World Order".....
......something your president Fully Supports


http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/Register/

small arms info is below

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N11/289/72/PDF/N1128972.pdf?OpenElement
 
Guns, in America, have never been taken away. Why do people draw this extreme?
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Are youy serious? Are you telling everyone here that the poor folks who live in DC did not have to turn in their guns because of the laws that were enacted in 1976? Was that all a myth or one of those "lies" that the NRA has been spreading?

You would have fit right in with pre-WWII Germany or pre-Martial Law Philippines (through which I personally lived through). If you were to seperate you lips from obama's ass, maybe you will see what this current administration is really about.
 
The same happened in NYC. Registration led to guns being taken away or removed from the city. Again, we're looking at one more Supreme Court justice. Our 5-4 victory amazed me in that it was so close. That case was made to order for gun rights, and we almost lost it anyway. Image what another Kagan or Sotomayor will do to us. Forget the Second Ammendment. It will be gone.
 
It seems the right wing conservatives are so indoctrinated against the current administration that they'll believe anything and impute motives that they have no proof exist. The lies about the proposed U N treaty about the illegal international trade in small arms (read Chivers' book about the AK for an example) the peddling of paranoia, it's amazing.
 
As I said, Nico, it matters not whether motives are proven. Holder's actions are illegal and corrupt. His program, designed to influence public opinion, is responsible for the deaths of police officers. This is not speculation. Guns linked to his program were found at the scene of a murder. This has nothing to do with views of this administration or gender or party or sexual preferences or the perception of global warming. It has to do with crime and responsibility. Demanding Holder's removal is appropriate. If we had an independent media he would already be out, and likely under arrest.
 
At this point I have to assume somethings about how you are influenced in your opinion. You are misspelling very common words. You aren't forming complete sentences. You are using pretty extreme ideas that are factually wrong. You are calling factchecker.org leftist.

You are a fringe member. That is completely fine and no slight.

However, this means there is no reasoning with you even in the face of proven facts (factchecker.org was used, a common and reliable used source in the politico world). Despite critical thinking on issue you will always go to your biased side. Thank you for back and forth with me. Now I know it was a waste of time though.
 
In this post we rack up the lie count. Excuse me, the misunderstanding count:

-the government doesn't let you buy surplus military rifles. Link was provided for M1 purchases.

-Hillary Clinton would sign the UN Small Arms blah blah. Factchecker.org proves it doesn't exist, was created by the NRA, has been a lie since the mid 1990's. Yet google still pulls up a wealth of people fear mongering the crap out of the issue. THERE IS NO ISSUE ON THIS. IT IS A LIE. IT DOES NOT EXIST.

-In history there has been a sweeping effort in the US to take guns way BY THE US GOVT. Eh. Wrong. Localities such as states may have voted it, but the Govt? never. Ah, and D.C., not the same place as a state now is it? Clinton's bumper sticker: "no taxation without representation"

-Obama is going to take guns away. Yet he allowed guns to for the first time in a long time be carried into Parks. Easily could have vetoed it.

-Obama hates guns part II. Little known on here apparently, Obama's White House killed gun legislation in 2010 that went to his desk. If the legislation was political suicide and therefore he didn't sign it--that proves the left may have given in on the issue.

-Gun show registrations will kill private sales. I don't even know where to being with this..? Are you saying 15 dollar FFL fees are going to kill it? or is it that it will take to much work? what? I do not understand. And a gun show is not a private sale at--wait for it--NOT A GUN SHOW.

-Obama is a smarmy gun hater 3. A Democrat had an attempted assassination on her life. Others were killed. A Glock with a large capacity magazine was used. I say large because as a hand gun it basically makes it not a hand gun in terms of size. The size is larger than some carbines in width. So me saying large capacity isn't some stupid left opinion. That isn't small material for a gun hating left to use. What happened? nothing.

-Finally, Eric Holder the worst AG (really? After Bush, Fast and Furious makes him Eric Holder the worst? Focus on broad issues) admitted openly about Fast and Furious. In fact he openly admitted about Gunrunner.
 
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This is from ontheissues.org - a completely nonpartisan website which reports on the records of our politicians.


Barack Obama on Gun Control

-- Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008) (meaning if you possessed an unregistered firearm in your home and used it to defend yourself against a home invader, your right to self defense would trump the fact that the gun was technically illegal and you could not be prosecuted for such an offense. The bill passed. Obama voted against it)

-- Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)

-- FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)

-- April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)

-- Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)

-- Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)

-- 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)

-- Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)

-- Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)

-- Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)

-- Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)

-- Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)

-- Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)


wildcat... you were saying?
 
I've enjoyed the shooting sports all my life. With the many McC's around, our kids won't have to worry about such lifestyles. He ain't alone. People can choose to believe whatever they wish. What really bothers me more than denial like this are gun owners who fail to get involved at all. They let people like this write what they want and do not reply. They fail to join the NRA and they decline to vote for their rights. McC is a party line man. The country is full of them. It's the ones who fail to get involved that bother me. This thread was initially about a call to action, specifically to demand the outster of a incompetent, corrupt AG. Mr Holder is all of that.
 
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please note, I provided (2) links to the UN's Own site regarding small and conventional arms and the regulations they intend to impose on them.....if you cant get the links to work, I'll help.......but ya have to believe "THEY" Exist"........and anyone deep enough in a fog that cannot see the continuos encroachment of gun rights, with endless debates and regulations and Bullet Taxes ad nauseum......just isnt paying attention, or is in such a stage of denial even therapy wont help....

http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/Register/

small arms info is below

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND...df?OpenElement
 
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