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All I can tell you is, the NRA is the ONLY reason we are setting here tonight on a gun board bitching about & defending them.
Absolutely.


NRA bashing befuddles me. Are they perfect? Heck no, but they are the best thing going for us.

Get in the game and start supporting people and organizations that protect our 2nd Amendment rights.

I also find it hard to believe she would ask for $500 under the circumstances. Never say never though. You could have gotten an idiot on the phone.
 
The NRA is powerful because it can mobilize votes. The purpose of all that junk mail is to keep their membership energized. If you really want to support the second ammendment, act on every piece of junk mail they send. Answer the polls, call you politicians, send the cards to your representatives, etc.

When they send you the mailing you can expect them to also ask for a donation. If you are too lazy to bombard your elected representatives with reminders that the second ammendment is important, then you should send a check.

Otherwise plan on having a "boating accident" at some time in the future.
 
springwalk

Remove the rose colored shades! There is never a time when our rights are safe! If we do not remain forever vigilent we will most certainly lose our second amendment rights. The NRA is our friend whether you see it or not. Are their donation pleas annoying? Sometimes, but 4 million NRA members out of 80 million gun owners nationwide. We need help carrying the load folks.
 
I have been considering a life membership since they have been selling them so cheaply lately. I believe the NRA does good things. But at the time, considering how little money I had to play with, and the bad taste from the condescinding woman on the phone, I never renued. I have been a member of the IRA/ILA (IL), and attend the IGOLD concealed carry/gun rights rally/march every year. And contribute what we can while there.
 
There is never a time when our rights are safe!
And if you don't believe that?

Wait till after the next presidential election when the incumbent wins again.

Four more years without a third term possible?

We for sure are going to need some help carrying the load then.

Cause it's gonna hit the fan folks!
You can bet on it!

rc
 
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NRA member: YES

Donate: Yes

I give what i can. When i was going through my battle with cancer all i could afford was a check for $25.00. They cashed it, and sent me a thank you letter.
 
Some of you guys kill me with your lame excuses why your not an NRA member. If you own a gun, or even if you dont. If you care at all about freedom, you should join the NRA and donate when you can.

One day you will wonder what happened to our 2nd amendment rights and blame the NRA for that, too!

Happy New Year!!
 
I have followed the gun control debate since the days of Carl Bakal's scare mongering "This Very Day a Gun May Kill You" in the late 1950s. Bakal claimed the only obstacle to the utopia of all guns being rounded up was the NRA. The politicans who wanted the 1968 GCA to be far more restrictive all blamed the NRA for blocking their plans. The gun prohibitionists blame the NRA for blocking them. Enuf fer me.
 
I also dont understand the rudeness and hanging up on the call from the NRA. These people are VOLUNTEERS doing their part to support our freedoms. They at least deserve a little, if not a lot, of courtesy.

I give when I can, if I cannot, I tell them. It is as simple as that.
 
I also dont understand the rudeness and hanging up on the call from the NRA. These people are VOLUNTEERS doing their part to support our freedoms. They at least deserve a little, if not a lot, of courtesy.

Not to sure about them being volunteers, more than likely they're working for a fund raising company which it attempting to make money and the NRA receives a portion of the proceeds.
 
I didn't say I was rude, but I did say she was very condescending. If I know me, I said thanks but no thanks and hung up. If that is the rudest call she had that day, it was a good day.
 
The NRA is necessary, don't think you can do without them. It's the other organizations that somehow get your email or number, that send out the scary solicitations, asking for money for faxes to congress and the senate, on a weekly basis, and several new ones that I just send to "junk mail" that have suddenlly jumped in for so called contributions. Make sure it's the NRA that's sending you mail and not some scammer.
I got 2 from national gun rights, today asking for money.
 
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I guess some folks look at the NRA like the military. The are a necessary evil in times of need, but all the rest of the time, stay out of the way and don't be seen or heard. Remember what it was like right after Vietnam? Mililtary bad, hippie good. Fortunately times do change.

NRA life member since 1965
Texas State Rifle Assn life member since 1982

And yes I still donate to both.
 
I think theres more need to give the NRA cash when all the stubborn GOPers vote in Romney than a need to give during Obama. Either way, if the 2nd cant stand aon its own then as I said we are all screwed. NRA isnt that vital.

OK, that's about as uneducated a statement as I've ever seen. So electing Romney will kill the 2nd amendment, but re-electing Obama won't? Clearly you are not paying attention.

NRA ain't doing much to combat GCA and its prohibited person clauses. That's the main issue. Not AWB's, not permits, not licenses, or open carry bullcrap.

The main issue is how easily you can end up a prohibited person, and the NRA isn't doing anything about it.

Oh, so protecting our rights, like preventing a new issuance of the AWB, or trying to get concealed carry an option every American can choose isn't the real problem? Of course, ending the prohibited person classes the GCA put into place is the true struggle?

So which group of prohibited persons should have their rights restored?


(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2) is a fugitive from justice;

(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

(5) who, being an alien, is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;

(6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; or

(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that --

(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual

notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and

(B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or

(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or

threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child

that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury.

Gee, seems to me like people like that should be prohibited from owning firearms. But maybe that's just me. Somehow, it seems people are willing to claim grave injustices as a result of the NRA allowing these sections to stand, but refuse to understand that IF NOT for the NRA insisting sections be changed in the act, you wouldn't see handguns even manufactured today, let alone sold. And trust me, the public opinion of handguns at that time would have allowed them to be forever banned in America.

A question was asked in this thread asking if some folks would use anything to justify them not being a member. I'd say that pretty much covers it!
 
1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year

Extreme amounts of non-violent, victimless felonies and misdemeanors exist that can revoke your 2ndA rights permanently and have thousand of dollars worth of your firearms confiscated.

3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act

Terrible clause. A man in ohio called the police after a firearm was stolen. They came and arrested him for felony firearms possession because years earlier, he had a marijuana citation and in the state of ohio, ANY drug violation, no matter how small, gives you permanant loss of 2ndA rights.

(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

Involuntary committment is abusable and people have lost their rights when it was unneccessary. You don't even have to be judged "mentally defective" to lose your rights because the first thing that must happen is get involuntarily committed. The whole point of involuntary committment is observation, but you lose your rights in the process.

(8) is subject to a court order....

The most abused of all. I don't even need to go into detail.

Gee, seems to me like people like that should be prohibited from owning firearms.

You make me sick.
 
EvilMonkey, what should the NRA do against the GCA, etc.?

To sue against any agency's regulations, there must be standing and even then only when there is liklihood of winning--which means a knowledge of precedent. And insofar as laws proposed in Congress, the NRA can only lobby, not give orders--and if you don't have the votes the best you can do is pray for a favorable compromise.

IOW, not one pro-gun organization has been effective in repeal of any GCA. N.O.N.E.

springwalk, the idea is to build up a war chest during quiet times of lesser drain on the NRA treasury so that it can quickly get to work in the event of a legislative or regulatory-agency problem. That's why the unending "dunning" for money. Why worry about it, though, since if you don't care to donate, the circular file is always available. Phone calls? "Not at this time, but thanks for calling." No need to be rude to anybody.
 
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1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
Extreme amounts of non-violent, victimless felonies and misdemeanors exist that can revoke your 2ndA rights permanently and have thousand of dollars worth of your firearms confiscated.

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3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act
Terrible clause. A man in ohio called the police after a firearm was stolen. They came and arrested him for felony firearms possession because years earlier, he had a marijuana citation and in the state of ohio, ANY drug violation, no matter how small, gives you permanant loss of 2ndA rights.

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(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
Involuntary committment is abusable and people have lost their rights when it was unneccessary. You don't even have to be judged "mentally defective" to lose your rights because the first thing that must happen is get involuntarily committed. The whole point of involuntary committment is observation, but you lose your rights in the process.

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(8) is subject to a court order....
The most abused of all. I don't even need to go into detail.

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Gee, seems to me like people like that should be prohibited from owning firearms.
You make me sick.

Well, at least we have a dialogue going. Of course, the thousands of people who were found to be insane since that law passed really should have their right to own guns, right?

1 January 2012 will be the first anniversary of the shooting of a Clark County Sheriff's Deputy, gunned down by a prohibited person who got a shotgun through his girlfriend's father. This prohibited person lost his gun rights because he had murdered a person about 20 years ago, but got off the murder charges because he was adjudged criminally insane.

And of course, we should restore all people who lost their rights because of domestic violence convictions, shouldn't we? You NEVER hear of someone who is so manly that they get off on beating women going the extra mile and bringing a firearm into the equation, do you?

Your example of the guy in Ohio who had lost his right to bear arms because of a drug charge years ago has been solved. Ohio changed the law this past September to allow prohibited persons to get criminal charges that placed them into the prohibited status expunged from their record. Surely this guy had to know his gun rights were revoked by his "citation."

Most any law passed ends up hurting someone through the unintended consequences of a provision painting with a broad brush, instead of zeroing in on specific situations. But completely throwing out the clause is preferable to you, since you can cite a few examples of people who fell through the cracks.

So I make you sick? Stay classy guy!
 
So I make you sick? Stay classy guy!

You can spin your argument any way you want. The reality is, there are many innocent people who have unjustly lost their rights, whether due to an uneeded involuntary committment or domestic violence conviction because the woman beat herself up to get the man arrested.

All efforts must be focused on eliminating these asinine clauses. The only people that needs to lose their rights are violent criminals convicted of hardcore felonies.
 
My only complaint about the NRA so far is that they somehow got my Grandmothers number, and called there trying to get me to some survey, and donate.

And when I happened to be there when they called, and asked why that number was listed for me, they couldn't answer, and just kept trying to get me to take the survey, despite being told it's not my actual number, and offering to GIVE them my actual number.

That was a serious *** moment.

Other than that, don't blame them for trying to get donations, they need them to continue operating, and they NEED to continue to operate even when there aren't any current direct threats to the 2nd Amendment, otherwise they won't be able to do anything when there IS a threat.
 
I see these threads all along in forums. Is the NRA perfect? NO. I am a member, I do sometimes buy stuff from them. I do receive notices about how my membership is about to expire, need to renew.. But it expires in March. Other than that, no phone calls or excessive mailings.

I think overall they are a good group to be a part of. The people who oppose the 2A are relentless. In my opinion, they WILL take any opportunity to snag even the smallest right away from the 2A if they get a chance.
 
@springwalk
Obama hasnt done anything bad I'm aware of except for the bogus ATF Fast and Furious plot that didnt work . I figure if the 2nd Amend cant stand on its own then we are all screwed anyway. What do you think?

The above is a 'consequence' of the successful work that NRA and other gun rights organizations do.


If NRA is reading this -- I would definitely prefer a member ship option with 'no contact'. In other words, no calls, no permanent records, no junk mail, nothing.
 
If 1 million people gave the NRA $10 a year, that equates to 10 million dollars a year. That's alot of money. Then again, I don't know how much lobbying costs.........

If it costs less than 10 million a year, the NRA is banking big time because I'm pretty sure they're getting a hell of alot more than that.
 
They do a lot more than lobby.

Why don't you look into everything they do--based on your comments, it sounds like it might surprise you.
 
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