NY Times Editorial /18 March 08

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Read some lies and half-truths from the defacto 'paper of record' for the U.S.
I really can't tell W-H-Y anyone puts up with them except for historical inertia. The argument, if this can be called such, has more holes than a cheese grater.
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Editorial
The Court Considers Gun Control


Today the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a politically charged challenge to the District of Columbia’s gun control laws. The case poses a vital question: can cities impose reasonable controls on guns to protect their citizens? The court should rule that they can.



The District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates, banned private ownership of handguns. Rifles and shotguns were permitted, if kept disassembled or under an easily removed trigger lock. It is a reasonable law, far from the ban that some anti-gun-control advocates depict.

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled that the law violates the Second Amendment, which states: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” The decision broke with the great majority of federal courts that have examined the issue, including the Supreme Court in 1939. Those courts have held that the constitutional right to bear arms is tied to service in a militia, and is not an individual right.

The appeals court made two mistakes. First, it inflated the Second Amendment into a sweeping right to own guns, virtually without restriction or regulation. Defenders of gun rights argue that if the Supreme Court sticks with the interpretation of the Second Amendment that it sketched out in 1939, it will be eviscerating the right to own a gun, but that is not so. Americans have significant rights to own and carry guns, but the scope of those rights is set by federal, state and local laws.

The second mistake that the appeals court made — one that many supporters of gun rights may concede — was its unduly narrow view of what constitutes a “reasonable” law. The court insisted that its interpretation of the Second Amendment still leaves room for government to impose “reasonable” gun regulations. If so, it is hard to see why it rejected Washington’s rules.

The District of Columbia City Council concluded that prohibiting the easily concealable handguns preferred by criminals, and imposing prudent safety rules on rifles and shotguns, was a good, practical strategy for reducing crime, suicide, domestic violence and accidental shootings. Far from a blanket ban, the law strikes a balance between gun owners and the larger community.

The latest campus massacre, at Northern Illinois University, reminded us all of the dangers that come from too-easy access to weapons best suited for murder. For the high court to choose this moment to strike down reasonable gun rules would defy common sense, and needlessly put innocent people at risk.
 
Read some lies and half-truths from the defacto 'paper of record' for the U.S.
I really can't tell W-H-Y anyone puts up with them except for historical inertia. The argument, if this can be called such, has more holes than a cheese grater.
It was, however, good for a laugh.
 
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Sigh.

Me: Define reasonable.
NYT: Blanket bans!!

:mad:

The District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates, banned private ownership of handguns. Rifles and shotguns were permitted, if kept disassembled or under an easily removed trigger lock. It is a reasonable law, far from the ban that some anti-gun-control advocates depict.

So it's a ban, but it's far from a ban?

Ugh. Alright, let's examine some more.

District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates...The District of Columbia City Council concluded that prohibiting...handguns...was a good, practical strategy for reducing crime, suicide...

So the ban was intended to reduce crime, instituted some thirty-odd years ago, and DC has one of the highest crime rates now. So the ban is "reasonable." Huh? Was DC much worse before the ban?

Those courts have held that the constitutional right to bear arms is tied to service in a militia, and is not an individual right.

Well, that's not exactly accurate.

easily removed trigger lock

Um, how easily? Easily enough to be done in seconds while under the extreme stress of someone pounding in your door or window? I doubt it, but maybe I just don't know anything about trigger locks. I've never bothered to use one. What a tiresome article.
 
[RHETORICAL QUESTION]Why do they think that "the right of the people" means one thing everywhere else in the Bill of Rights and something else altogether in the 2nd?[/RHETORICAL QUESTION]:banghead:
 
Will someone on the left kindly address "shall not be infringed" please?

Oh, and of course, I expect the answer will be submitted via quill pen or movable-type press.
 
The latest campus massacre, at Northern Illinois University, reminded us all of the dangers that come from too-easy access to weapons best suited for murder.

Aw, heck. I always thought murder was committed by murderers. I never knew easy access to weapons killed people.
 
The second mistake that the appeals court made — one that many supporters of gun rights may concede — was its unduly narrow view of what constitutes a “reasonable” law. The court insisted that its interpretation of the Second Amendment still leaves room for government to impose “reasonable” gun regulations. If so, it is hard to see why it rejected Washington’s rules.

The District of Columbia City Council concluded that prohibiting the easily concealable handguns preferred by criminals, and imposing prudent safety rules on rifles and shotguns, was a good, practical strategy for reducing crime, suicide, domestic violence and accidental shootings. Far from a blanket ban, the law strikes a balance between gun owners and the larger community.
Let's apply analogus "reasonable restrictions" on the First Amendment right of the free press and see how they "feel" about the "balance" that strikes.
 
The District of Columbia City Council concluded that prohibiting the easily concealable handguns preferred by criminals, and imposing prudent safety rules on rifles and shotguns, was a good, practical strategy for reducing crime, suicide, domestic violence and accidental shootings. Far from a blanket ban, the law strikes a balance between gun owners and the larger community.

"Practical" strategy my butt! Even the liberal NYT had to admit it didn't work to reduce crime!:banghead:

I realized a while back that bolsheviks like this are not arguing in good faith.
 
[RHETORICAL QUESTION]Why do they think that "the right of the people" means one thing everywhere else in the Bill of Rights and something else altogether in the 2nd?[/RHETORICAL QUESTION]
Because they despise both rights and "the people".
 
So, a total ban on handgun ownership is "reasonable?"

What would be unreasonable?
 
Ignoring the whole stupidity of this editorial which I'm sure the rest of you will point out. I found this part particularly interesing.

easily concealable handguns preferred by criminals

See and here I thought it was full-auto AK-47s? Does that mean we can lift the MG ban because criminals don't like those types of guns? :D
 
The NY Times Dishonestly Snipes at Gun Rights
By Bob Owens | March 18, 2008 - 16:46 ET

Heller v. District of Columbia goes to the Supreme Court today, as a group of Washington, D.C. residents contend that the ban on operable firearms inside homes in the District of Columbia—including an outright ban on handguns not registered prior to 1976—violates the Second Amendment and is unconstitutional.

Robert A. Levy, co-counsel to Heller has an op-ed posted in today's Boston Globe that highlights the correct individual rights argument.

Predictably, the editorial board of the New York Times has an op-ed of their own against the individual rights perspective, which they seem to feel applies to the First Amendment, but not the Second.

They write, quote dishonestly:

Today the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a politically charged challenge to the District of Columbia's gun control laws. The case poses a vital question: can cities impose reasonable controls on guns to protect their citizens? The court should rule that they can.

The District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates, banned private ownership of handguns. Rifles and shotguns were permitted, if kept disassembled or under an easily removed trigger lock. It is a reasonable law, far from the ban that some anti-gun-control advocates depict.


What is "reasonable" about a law that turns a homeowner into a felon the moment he takes a trigger lock off his firearm (including rifles or shotguns) and loads it during a home invasion to protect his family? The Times refuses to address the obvious unfairness of this law, and the fact that it completely precludes any legal armed self defense, even during the most violent of crimes.

As you might expect from the Times, they follow one deception with another.

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled that the law violates the Second Amendment, which states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The decision broke with the great majority of federal courts that have examined the issue, including the Supreme Court in 1939. Those courts have held that the constitutional right to bear arms is tied to service in a militia, and is not an individual right.

The 1939 case in questions is of course, United States vs. Miller in which a pair of bootleggers were arrested for transporting a sawed-off shotgun in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, which required certain firearms to be registered and a $200 transfer tax be paid every time an NFA firearm was transferred. The two men were charged for not paying the $200 tax on the the shortened shotgun. Neither of the bootleggers nor their defense showed up for the Supreme Court case, as Miller had been killed by that time, and the other defendant, Layton, accepted a plea bargain.

In reality, Miller is a very murky ruling, having been cited by both gun control advocates and gun rights advocates alike. Far from being a pro-gun control case, Miller is inconclusive at best, which the Times dishonestly and purposefully overlooks.

They continue:

The appeals court made two mistakes. First, it inflated the Second Amendment into a sweeping right to own guns, virtually without restriction or regulation. Defenders of gun rights argue that if the Supreme Court sticks with the interpretation of the Second Amendment that it sketched out in 1939, it will be eviscerating the right to own a gun, but that is not so. Americans have significant rights to own and carry guns, but the scope of those rights is set by federal, state and local laws.

The second mistake that the appeals court made — one that many supporters of gun rights may concede — was its unduly narrow view of what constitutes a "reasonable" law. The court insisted that its interpretation of the Second Amendment still leaves room for government to impose "reasonable" gun regulations. If so, it is hard to see why it rejected Washington's rules.


Again, only at the Times could they attempt support a law that completely outlaws the use of a firearm as a firearm as a "reasonable" restriction.

Perhaps if the District of Columbia ruled that their citizens had the right to own a printing press"or today, a computer printer"but required it to be kept disassembled or locked up, and made it illegal to either load it with paper or ink, then the Times might change their tune.

That, of course would require far more intellectual honesty than exists at the Times, and it seems that putting truly innocent people at risk to the whims of criminals does not weigh heavily on their souls.

Cross-posted to Confederate Yankee.

—Bob Owens is an investigative blogger who writes at Confederate Yankee.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/bob-owens/2008/03/18/ny-times-dishonestly-snipes-gun-rights
 
I really can't tell W-H-Y anyone puts up with them except for historical inertia.
I don't. Why do assume anyone does?

Print media is dying and they know it. Newspaper advertising revenue has been in steady decline since about the turn of the century (this century). For that matter, so has television advertising revenue. The old MSM is slowly but surely becoming irrelevant. Ignore it and it will go away.

If you enjoy reading a daily newspaper there's only one that's worthwhile and that's the Wall Street Journal. Their editorials on this issue have been refreshingly (and characteristically) cogent. But even they know their days in the newsprint business are numbered, which I suspect contributed to the Bancroft's decision to sell to News Corp.

There's only one source of information for which advertising revenue has been increasing steadily since its inception. You're using it.
 
The attorney for DC said that it only took him three minutes to take a trigger lock off a gun! How long would that be in the middle of the night with someone smashing in your door?

ECS
 
v35 -- The other thing is that 'print' media does still form some consensus reality and I feel compelled from long habit to scan it daily. It's entertaining to watch the NYT wallow in it's own increasingly fetid wading pool. I take a guilty pleasure in bringing their latest gaffs to everyone's attention here for s----& giggles.
 
It's tripe like this that is causing their long slow slide into obsolescence. They're just too arrogant to see or accept it. They will never accept that it's because the public is beginning to recognize their leftism and are rejecting it as the failure that it is. People are also recognizing that they will say anything they have to to support their ideology. Up to and including lies.
 
The attorney for DC said that it only took him three minutes to take a trigger lock off a gun! How long would that be in the middle of the night with someone smashing in your door?
This is thread veer, but for the record, he said it took him "three seconds." He acknowledged that it was in daylight, also. The way he said it gave me the impression that he really didn't want to go into detail about it.
 
I won't waste amyone's time with the NYT offering this morning--suffice it to say they refer the RKBA as a NEWLY recognized right that now needs to have it's exact limits plumbed, regulated and explored--amazing.
 
As Henry Bowman said, Dellinger tried to say it would take only 3 seconds, "honestly".

This was followed by the justice saying, "So that's, hear the break in, turn on the bedstand light, reach for your reading glasses...." followed by laughter by the court.
 
The latest campus massacre, at Northern Illinois University, reminded us all of the dangers that Gun Free Zones give easy access to students for murder.

There fixed it for them.:neener:
 
It's the New York Times. I don't even take them seriously anymore, they have such a long record of distortions, shoddy journalism, and outright politically-driven hack jobs that they're hardly a "newspaper of record" and haven't been for quite some time. A short-sighted commentary on 2A issues is something to be expected.
 
Once upon a time far ago and far away in NY they would have tarred the guy that wrote that and rolled him in feathers then stuck him on a rail. But as I said that was far ago and when NYC was the capitol of the US and we where at war with a king that had the same ideas.
 
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