O.K. guys-talk me in or out of 10mm

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I'm in the market for a new shooting iron, and I'm looking real hard into a G-20. After firing one last week, I did'nt feel the harsh recoil that people talk about. To me, it was about the same as a +P in my G-17(9mm), which is my carry gun. I like the ballistics of this round, sort like a real man's .40, and I also like the fact that I can put 15rds into the G-20(it comes with a pre-ban). To me, it seems to offer a whole lot more than a .40, and I wont give up too much to the .45. I reload so ammo is not a problem. And the main reason that I want one is because I don't have one.
 
I like the 10mm a lot!

I have found it to be a terrific load with which to work. I load as well and have some loads worked up that are in the .41 magnum area and are still safe to shoot in my Glock. Makes for one heck of a "woods gun". BTW have you seen the new Dan Wesson "Razorback"? Looks really interesting as a 10mm platform. FWIW here is the Dan Wesson URL. http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/. Good shooting:)
 
In my non-biased opinion ;) the G20 is the best all-around handgun in a serious caliber. You can use FBI "Lite" loads which duplicate .40 S&W ballistics, or you can go with full-power loads such as Texas Ammo's fodder which thump on the the ole' .45 ACP. Add to that Glock reliability and a 15-round capacity and it's hard, VERY HARD to beat. About the only real concern is grip size, but a G20 with a Hogue slip-on feels fine in my medium sized hands.
 
I'm kinda fond of 10mm's. ;)
My first 10mm was a Glock 20, then a Glock 29 and now Delta's.

The 10mm is versatile, effective and way cool. :D
I carry 155gr Tritons at 1400fps or 175gr Silvertips at 1290fps.
I think those numbers sell the cartridge all by themselves.
 
I wasn't really into the 10mm until a G29 followed me home. Now, since I 've had it a while, the little fellow has grown on me!!! I just wish the ammo wern't so expensive. :banghead: Yeah, I know about the various internet sights that sell it, but I've found that after you add shipping, the price comes out pretty much the same!! :(
 
A dead or dying caliber. Ever increasing costs for ammo, and ever decreasing availabilty. Not adopted by any major military as a standard, which is a big help for availability of ammo.

I expect that 10mm used guns will continue to have attractive prices because of this, as more get dumped into the used market.

If you love the Glock so much, why not just get a Glock 21? (.45 caliber).
 
O.K. guys-talk me in or out of 10mm

Where's Sean? :D

Really, interesting caliber. More energy than our beloved 45s. Capable of handgun hunting (depending on case length requirements) and with full loads are honking good fun. But ammo is a bit pricey and may be hard to come by depending on where you are located.

I've never had one but I have access to three of them. Always leave a smile on my face like this one ---> :D
 
"A dead or dying caliber."

:rolleyes:


Right, which is why Dan Wesson is marketing it's new 10mm 1911-pattern "Razorback." Because it's real economical to make guns in "dead calibers" no one shoots anymore, huh? :rolleyes: By the way, when's the next funeral? It's only been pronounced dead about a dozen times since 1990.

"Ever increasing costs for ammo ..."

Try: http://www.georgia-arms.com

$180 for a 1000 rds of reloadable 10mm ammo. (That's 18-cents per rd for you math-challenged types).

"I like the ballistics of this round, sort of like a real man's .40,.."

Finally, someone's gettin' the picture. :D

And for a taste of a "real man's" 10mm Auto - the way God, Jeff Cooper and Sonny Crocket wanted it :) - try any of Texas Ammo's full-strength 10mm loads (they offer four), especially their "heavy & fast" 200gn loads.

See: http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=84117

You might also check out GT's 10Ring for reliable info on Glock's 10mm pistols and the 10mm cartridge generally.

HTH. :cool:
 
Sounds like you already talked yourself into it. Just get it youll be happy. You might want to look at a S&W or a Delta Elite they are both nice 10 mms.
 
I had a S&W 1076 that I really liked. Only true downside was the ammo cost. Too bad I sold it now that I'm into reloading...maybe it's time to add one to my '03 wish list :scrutiny:
Accurate, fun to shoot, has some giddy-up to it! Nice round.
 
How did I miss this topic earlier? :D

First, a brief 10mm primer:

http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/10mminfo.html

10mm Auto is easily my favorite handgun cartridge. I've owned several, and am waiting on my new Delta Elite to get to me once the FFL-to-FFL transfer gets done with. Its virtues are:

1. Power. 10mm Auto is the most powerful cartridge you can get in a factory autoloader of practical size. Factory hunting loads from Cor-Bon are pushing 700 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle from a 4.6" barrel. Esoteric wildcats like .45 Super and .400 Cor-Bon can sometimes match, but not surpass, 10mm Auto ballistics. Neither one has loads that offer the deeper penetration potential of the 200-220gr 10mm loads. Only wildcats like .40 Super or .460 Rowland give you more muzzle energy, by which point you've pushed your handgun literally to the breaking point.

2. Versatility. As an autoloader cartridge, 10mm is unsurpassed in its versatility. Bullets from 135-220gr, speeds from 900-1,800 ft/sec, with 10mm you can handle anything from hunting to self-defense to plinking to competition. If it doesn't need a .44 Magnum to get done, 10mm can do it.

3. Accuracy. 10mm Auto is capable of an extremely high degree of accuracy. With a drop-in Bar-Sto barrel my old Delta Elite shot into 0.8" at 25 yards. Even factory stock 10mm guns in general seem to have an unusual tendency to be very accurate. Full power 10mm loads are, of course, very flat-shooting as well due to their high velocity.

4. Safety. This isn't brought up often, but there is a reason you don't hear about 10mm guns having kB!'s like .40 S&W, .38 Super or even .357 Sig. The 10mm Auto case was designed from the ground up to stand up to high pressures safely... in fact, the case was designed to stand up to 53,000 CUP, with most published "max" loads being only 38,000 or less. Even with handloads, if you are using good 10mm powders (e.g. AA#7 & #9) you will sometimes run out of case capacity before your load is hot enough to be of concern.

USUAL DISCLAIMER: Don't be stupid when you handload. You CAN blow up a 10mm if you are dumb enough. :)

There are some downsides to 10mm, though they aren't deal-breakers.

1. Ammo availability. Every major company makes 10mm ammo for every conceiveable use, and if you shop around you can actually pay less for 10mm practice fodder than .45 ACP. But your corner store might not have it on the shelf, or might charge something stupid like $15 for Speer Blazers.

The best bargain for getting lots of 10mm ammo is Georgia Arms, though you can also find good sales on Blazer from Natchez. It is also a great cartridge to handload for.

http://www.georgia-arms.com/pistol.htm

http://www.natchezss.com/

2. Platform size. 10mm Auto requires a platform big enough to handle .45 ACP (since the cartridge overall length is about the same). If you want an itty-bitty gun, then 10mm takes a back seat to 9mm, .40 S&W or .357 Sig.
 
If I had access to pre-ban Glock 20 mags at pre-ban prices I'd absolutely go for it!

Civilians don't get the nice toys without deep bank accounts...

Yes - the Delta Elite has a good reputation herebouts - but if I were looking at a 10mm, then it'd be the G20. I guess I'll stick with the .45acp till then!

Trisha
 
The only real problem with the Delta Elite is that the prices seem to be rising. $650 used to be the norm for blued ones just a couple of years ago, but now it seems more like $850.

Now if you want a really GREAT 10mm... customize a Delta Elite!

:D
 
Just look at the numbers. The 10mm is faster then the 45 in same bullet weights, has only .05" less diameter (not much if you all ask me) and has more downrange power then the 9mm, 357sig or most of the other cartraiges.

The real question is why do so many people hang onto the 45acp when the 10mm is such a better round?
 
The real question is why do so many people hang onto the 45acp when the 10mm is such a better round?

3 reasons

1. perceived excessive recoil (whether true or not its still a perception).
2. perceived higher cost/lower availability of ammo (again, whether true or not, still the prevailing perception)

and probably most important.
3. not as many launch platforms available.


The more I read about 10mm the more I think I may want one instead of a .45. Would especially like a Delta Elite ... fondled one at a gun shop a while back and have had it on my mind since then ... I need to shoot one sometime. Also, if Glock would make a 10mm version of the G36 I think I'd have to have one of those.
 
I think Forseti is just a bit uneducated about the 10mm Auto.

I use my G20 as my backpacking and home defense handgun.

We won't be able to talk you into, or out of, one, you know you've already decided you want one.:D
 
Dad-Gummit

Buy it. Load it with the 135gr CorBon like Ted Nugent. Very cool. I think I read somewhere that he has 80 prebans for his 20. Wow!

Dave
 
Mmmmmmmm! ;)

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(Basically what Sean said... :) )
 
People who love 10mm are a determined bunch (well, I guess so are all others who enjoy owning firearms, myself included).

So lets talk numbers and manufacturers as it relates to demand.

A quick search of www.valorcorp.com (a distributor to dealers) lists two manufacturers of 10mm handguns they have in stock, Glock and S&W. A very small number held in inventory, which is representative of demand. Compare that to other, more common calibers, like 9mm, .40, .45, etc. Heck, they are even offering more .25 caliber pistols, which I am amazed anyone even bothers with.

Guns tend to stick around a long time...it is pretty tough to wear one out (really). So, there is a market for 10mm ammo that will take a long time to "burn out". In fact, since there are so many 10mm that exist today, it is probably beyond my lifetime that the market will totally go away for the ammo. However, unless there is growth, or a high amount of regular purchases of NEW 10mm guns, at best the caliber will be relegated to "boutique" status; high prices, low volumes. At worst, the economics will eventually dry up existing 10mm manufacturing lines. Just economics, nothing against the caliber itself.

An objective way to see a caliber in decline/ascendence is to track new gun purchases in a particular caliber (normalized for overall gun purchases, of course...if the industry as a whole is selling more or less units to private individuals, you have to take that into consideration).

I would love to see a chart of newly manufactured 10mm handguns sold over time, excluding used purchases (probably impossible to get the data). My guess is that it is slowly declining over time when normalized against the overall industry sales to private individuals. In which case, although it will take a long time, the writing is on the wall.

If someone knows where to get such data (possibly major firearms distributors?) it would be very interesting.

I don't know how forthcoming distributors would be with such info...here is a short list, if anyone has lots of free time:
http://directory.google.com/Top/Recreation/Guns/Wholesalers_and_Distributors/
 
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