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Obama's press conference

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He didn't even say we need to lass more laws, but that we aren't going to because of yye big bad NRA. He was pissed in that conference because he knows he can't and won't do anything, and that he will continue to be utterly impotent in the face of such golden 'opportunities' for the rest of his tenure. For a politician/narcissist, that's gotta be some mighty sour grapes.

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There are so many more difficult issues on the presidents plate that I kinda believe the matter helps deflect the other failures we've seen from the govt lately.

'Pay no attention to those Russian planes in Seria. We've got a nut job in our midst with a gun'

Frankly the presidents comments should have been expected. I'm surprised it took as long to get him in front of the cameras as it did.
 
jrdolall said:
This will get Political real quick and probably be shut down.

Our current administration has an agenda. That agenda has not changed. It will not change. They will slowly squeeze the life out of the pro-gun movement because most people in the USA really don't care about the 2A. Every time some nut does something like this it stirs the masses to action. They simply must do "something".
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Yes, this administration is anti gun and will always take an opportunity like this to push gun control, but in general your post has a defeatist like attitude, quite unlike the positive attitude of so many that has brought such progress in the fight against gun control in the last decade.

We are winning, but, as it always has been, the fight is never over, and the antis will always use opportunities to push their anti gun agenda.

Fight them with facts and determination, as we are in it for the long haul. We will never stop having to fight them.
 
In the next few weeks we can expect BHO to spit out more anti gun executive orders, limited, but none the less a pain. We can bet on another push for UBC and we can expect a few states to try to pass a high capacity magazine ban. This is only the beginning. Hillary will be even more dangerous, and smarter, with bigger allies in congress. Make no mistake, we are in for a big, long fight.
 
This speech was no different from the other post-shooting speeches he's made. He's a Democrat, what do you expect him to say? Does no one remember the story of the scorpion and the frog?

He does it because that's what he does. It's in his nature and the nature of his party.
 
Tom Fury said:
Understand someone (vet student) rushed the shooter and took hits in the takedown? Simply determined it was not going to happen to him w/o a fight?
My details from Facebook post; have not been able to verify; wonder what would have happened if he had been armed?
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He was according to a report I saw...except that he left it in his vehicle since it was a "gun free zone"
 
WestKentucky said:
He was according to a report I saw...except that he left it in his vehicle since it was a "gun free zone"
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From what I've read, it's not illegal to carry firearms on college campuses in Oregon, but I don't know how accurate that info is. (Even still, it may have been a school policy, o same effect.)
 
I decided to leave Oregon (which was a temporary professional stop)
days before this incident for reasons related to the social make up here.

Now I'm even more confident it was the right decision.

I'll be more explicit: this culture makes it ok for personalities like the shooter to exist.
They roam the streets here. The culture tries to make every behavior "ok", even stylish.
Even dynamics that are way outside the box.

It's gotten out of hand.

I'm going east.

Where east? Atlantic coast ..
 
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It's misdirected anger because the gun is the easiest target to assign responsibility to. I understand the anger that people have...even those who are extremely anti-gun. The difference between us and them as that we do not see the gun, gun laws, or gun ownership as the problem, and we do not believe that more gun laws are the solution.

Personally, I think the only way the frequency of these spree killings will decline is when there is significant change made with mental health reform. I am not talking about laws that bar people from owning guns...rather, I am talking about getting people treatment before we come to the point of them doing such an awful thing. Part of that treatment could be using a SWOT analysis for risk management in the same fashion as is used in the intelligence community. If someone cannot afford treatment, they need to get it anyway and society may have to swallow that bill for the team. What both Obama and the NRA have in common is I don't think either are thinking this far ahead.

A person who will kill innocent people, regardless of the method, is a very disturbed individual. The belief that more gun control will somehow prevent someone from doing this or limit the damage is short-sighted at best.
 
A person who will kill innocent people, regardless of the method, is a very disturbed individual. The belief that more gun control will somehow prevent someone from doing this or limit the damage is short-sighted at best.
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Exactly. Whoever thought it would be such a simple thing as gun control to cure all metal health issues in the U.S. and prevent future violence.:rolleyes:
 
It was pretty obvious that Urkel was frustrated that NOBODY'S paying him any mind regarding this. Certainly there's no reason why I should take him any more seriously on gun control than Putin takes him on much of anything.

The truth is that he KNOWS he's impotent on this issue and this is just his little hissy fit in response.
 
Yes, this administration is anti gun and will always take an opportunity like this to push gun control, but in general your post has a defeatist like attitude, quite unlike the positive attitude of so many that has brought such progress in the fight against gun control in the last decade.
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Sometimes I see people say things that make me wonder if they'd be thinking about surrendering to the Japanese in June of 1945...
 
not necessarily directly related to the whole post, but as Aston said above :

"I decided to leave Oregon (which was a temporary professional stop)
days before this incident for reasons related to the social make up here.

Now I'm even more confident it was the right decision.

I'll be more explicit: this culture makes it ok for personalities like the shooter to exist.
They roam the streets here. The culture tries to make every behavior "ok", even stylish.
Even dynamics that are way outside the box.

It's gotten out of hand. "

as radio personality Michael Medved said few days ago on his show:
with this new generation of "millennials" everything is ok, everything goes, when you try to point out to unacceptable behavior they always say " who are you to judge me ?"
in my opinion, that whole thing with "new values" was slowly introduced by MTV shows in 80's and then MTV opened gates of flood in 90's
after that it just spilled over and we have today what I call " a terror of political correctness "
 
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Sorry guys, can't blame this on Millennials. The average age of mass shooters is 35 y.o. That puts them one year older than even the oldest Millennials.

This isn't a "kids these days" problem.
 
lol, we don't have the occasional rare public shooter because of MTV or because of millenials.
 
From what I've read, it's not illegal to carry firearms on college campuses in Oregon, but I don't know how accurate that info is. (Even still, it may have been a school policy, o same effect.)
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It is allowed by Oregon law, however the college was a self declared gun free zone.

This article is an account of one vet - not the one who was shot seven times, obviously - who was carrying on campus in spite of the school rules.

He did not engage the shooter and folks on the other side of the argument are claiming that because he did not, this is "proof" that allowing concealed carry on campuses will not stop shootings.

However, if you listen to the video of the fellow describing his decision process for not engaging, I think 99% of us would agree with him that not engaging was the correct decision based on the circumstances he describes.

(For those who would rather not go to the link, let's start with the fact that this guy was not in the building where the shooting was taking place but rather was "some distance away"...)
 
Sorry guys, can't blame this on Millennials. The average age of mass shooters is 35 y.o. That puts them one year older than even the oldest Millennials.

This isn't a "kids these days" problem.
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Perhaps there needs to be sub classes of mass shooters. That's a hell of a thing to have to say but as I think back I believe there are clearly at least 3 different motives and that explains the age difference in some ways.

First class would be the younger mental case that wants to go to his school or theater and kill a bunch of people (sometimes those he knows) to make a statement because he was bullied or feels out of place, unloved, reacting to prescription drugs, etc.

Second is the older man who was fired, cheated, or cheated on who wants to extract revenge upon those who did him wrong in any way he can, I think these mass killings have victims that are much more specific.

Third is the killer with a cause, be it religion, politics, race or other, and his age can vary, I believe we are just beginning to see the rise of this mass killer.

To me the most prolific modern killers have been the youngest of the crowd, mainly what you call Millennials I guess and I do believe they have been showered with the sense of entitlement and non judgementalism that makes the most unstable or over medicated react in the way we've seen at times when they are faced with the reality of the real world.
 
Love the way Obama lies to us when any 3rd grader with a smart phone can figure out that Chicago, Obamas home ghetto, is #1 in the country on gun restrictions & is #1 murder rate in the country.
 
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The frustration that Obama expressed was that of his own incompetence; a narcissistic man who was able to strong-arm his policies through Congress but impotent is his ability to his achieve his self-proclaimed biggest failure- gun control.

My favorite comment taken from a blog, “Pretty clear his visceral reaction and vehement demand for the ‘politicization of gun control’ amidst the shock of tragedy demonstrates how deeply, irretrievably and unbridled his solipsism truly is.”
 
what was the age of Adam Lanza and James Eagan Holmes ?
as post above said - over entitlement , and I would add:
desire for instant gratification .
for example, at work : " how soon I am eligible for promotion ?"
while not having a habit to say "good morning" to boss or coworkers when arriving ...
 
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