Observed an ND today ... lessons learned for all

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First off, no one got hurt. Thank God.

And it was NOT me. :) ... again, thank God.

I was out shooting at an indoor range today with someone I've known for quite some time. Lets just say that his gun handling skills, from a safety perspective, are so-so. Not terrible, but not good either. Yes, I am working with him on it. On the plus side, he is very good about keeping his booger hook off the bang switch. He is good with muzzle control, until just after he checks to be sure the gun is unloaded (which he does good with as well), at which point his muzzle control goes out the window, often sweeping everyone in the room. When I or someone else tells him to watch it (the muzzle), he often responds with the classic line that usually immediately preceeds a ND: "But it is unloaded"! :banghead: Dude, the 4 rules overlap for a reason.

Fortunately, this time the muzzle was pointed in a relatively safe (if not the best) direction: down range (indoors), but pointing up at a 45 degree angle.

On shot # 2 or 3 from his Hi-Standard 22 LR, the trigger did not properly reset, according to him (later determined to be operator error). Immediately, he began fiddling with the trigger with predictable results: a Negligent Discharge. Now the indoor range as a new .22" diameter hole in the ceiling, about 7 yds downrange. As I said, at least he didn't point it at anyone.

I later asked him what mistakes he made, his response was:

1. That he became distracted (by the malfunction)
2. He did not unload the weapon prior to attempting to diagnose and repair the problem

Yep, that'll definitely do it.

He was a little shaken up, and he ego was definitely knocked down a peg or three. All good things.

Anyway, I just wanted to post this as a lesson for all. I imagine I am not the only one who has seen a goober at the range fidgeting with a malfunctioning weapon without clearing it first. :cuss:

Stay safe, and remember the 4 rules:

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND/AROUND IT
 
Your shooting friend

Your friend should get his head out of his rear end or stop shooting.
My six year old has better muzzle control of our handguns then your buddy has.
As far as clearing a malfunction, a discharge is always possible., It is most possible when a head is up a rear end with a finger on a trigger.
 
I kicked a guy off my range (back in my RM days) for the exact same stunt. He was shooting a Beretta 92 that failed to fully chamber the next round. I watch him pull the trigger, then point the pistol at the ceiling when it didn't fire and start looking it at while pulling the trigger over and over. I ran out of the booth towards him, but didn't get to him in time before he fired a round right into the roof of the range after the slide finished closing that last fraction of an inch.

I took the pistol away from him, unloaded it and asked him to pack his belongings and leave the range. I explained in detail why.

Of course he denied everything and blamed it on a faulty pistol. I assured him that while the pistol malfunctioned, the more critical malfunction was his response. AD's were not tolerated on the range for any reason by order of the owner.

Not a bad policy really.

I don't know how many times I've walked off an indoor range because of the idiots in there. I always walk the line when I get to the range watching each shooter. I determine if they're competent or not. If they're questionable, I try to position myself to their strong side (as they tend to point their weapons towards their weak side when fiddling with it). If I can't get what I deem to be a safe position, I leave.

Life's too short as it is only to have some yahoo shoot you by accident.
 
Good point but does rippin' (by proxy) the guy a new one really solve anything?

It makes me feel better? ;)

I made my post hours after the incident occured, so I was still a bit frustrated. So letting off steam probably doesn't really do any good, but I at least hope someone out their takes this story to heart .. someone that has maybe done something like this before and gotten away with it.
 
Tender feelings and being dead

In my years of training solders not to shoot each others, I can't recall a tender moment that worked as well as the facts about muzzle control and trigger finger control. Thanking a god after the fact will not correct a dumb ass action. Last I read some god keeps track of sparrows not bullets.
If you showed up at my range which I pay a premium price to shoot at, and you displayed a lack of control that would likely effect me or my friends, I will attempt to correct you or remove you from my area of operation.
Its not the same cause and effect as teaching your kids how to use a spoon and knife at the table.
Not Ripping someone means someone may end up dead due to lack of training. A learning experience is a life long learning experience that will be passed on to others.
 
If you showed up at my range which I pay a premium price to shoot at, and you displayed a lack of control that would likely effect me or my friends, I will attempt to correct you or remove you from my area of operation.

And doing so on the internet (while safely hidden behind your computer screen, I might add) solves what?

Would you address an armed stranger in that manner?

What is the general response you get when you put on the round brown at your local (Whispering Pines) range where everyone pays premium (ridiculous) prices not to be harassed by some blathering idiot who thinks he's David Shawn ( I'll let you figure it out).

Safety is absolutely paramount, screaming at complete strangers isn't the way to achieve it.

I was an RSO for several years in the Army and have never had a ND on any range I ever ran. I achieved this goal W/out ever having to scream at anyone or calling any one an idiot.

Makes ya wonder just who the idiot is ?
 
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