coolluke01
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You are the one that told me NY had the first laws made because of the Crime boss that didn't want people shooting back.We got to where we are today with laws such as in California, New York and New Jersey because of compromise, with these laws hidden behind the disguise of "reasonable regulation".
CA, had the right to OC and then I got removed. It wouldn't have been removed if people ignored their right to OC and never did it. At least that's what I think. Laws are changed because people don't like what other people are doing. Some times it is preventative too I guess. So CA may not be a good reference.
Rosa Parks had no rights enforced by any form of government. So I say she had no rights. Basic human rights to be treated equal, sure, but none recognized by the Gov at that time. She had to be heard to get those that were doing wrong to change the laws.
What's all this point you are trying to make, coolluke01, about fighting for rights that you turn around and say in the next few words that we should not use? What difference does it make? I would rather have the government flat out make something illegal, because that provides me with the opportunity to fight it in court, rather than have something be legal....oh but don't do it because you will make enough people uncomfortable that they will legislate against it.
I think we have these rights and they have been upheld by the Supreme Court. Rosa didn't have that.
Yielding rights is not giving them up or declaring them to have not existed. It is a temporary act of deference to those that don't understand.
I think OC could have good PR if done properly.
If the Judge in my state told me I could not carry OC or CC I would take it all the way to the Supreme Court if I had to.
If a fellow citizen was really uncomfortable with my OC I would try and accommodate them so that my cause would not be a point of contention. This uncomfortable citizen isn't going to write a law telling me I can't do what my rights tell me I can. But they will vote and encourage others to vote one way or another. Our job is to help encourage that choice to be made in an intelligent and non emotional way.
I would much rather have the situation we are in now than to have the Gov make it illegal and make us fight to get our rights back.
And i'll say this is the way i plan on dealing with it if it comes up. In any group we need to have many different types that will deal with the public in different ways. I do think we can learn how to deal with a wider range of the public from each other.