Oddball rimfire guns
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BlindJustice
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My first .22 LR single shot,
a Winchester that didn't last long
in the catalogue.
It had a tab on the RH side to bring
the bolt back to cock it,
a loading port on top with a curved channel
and an oval port to allow the fired round
Yes it fired from an Open Bolt, out the
bottom, so it was a fast Single shot - you only
had to cock it the first shot, as long as it was
clean. I think it had a safety as well. Early 60s.
a Winchester that didn't last long
in the catalogue.
It had a tab on the RH side to bring
the bolt back to cock it,
a loading port on top with a curved channel
and an oval port to allow the fired round
Yes it fired from an Open Bolt, out the
bottom, so it was a fast Single shot - you only
had to cock it the first shot, as long as it was
clean. I think it had a safety as well. Early 60s.
Carl N. Brown
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I remember when I was a teenager a friend of a friend had one of those Winchester blowback .22s, top load, bottom eject.
I now have a Savage single shot boltaction, .22 magnum, Mannlicher stock (to the muzzle), with a built-in trigger lock behind the trigger guard (looks like an ignition key). Remember seeing them advertised decades ago and had to buy it when I saw it a couple of years ago.
I now have a Savage single shot boltaction, .22 magnum, Mannlicher stock (to the muzzle), with a built-in trigger lock behind the trigger guard (looks like an ignition key). Remember seeing them advertised decades ago and had to buy it when I saw it a couple of years ago.
DougDubya
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One Rimfire I'd like to own is a .44 Henry. Sure, not as efficient as a .44 centerfire round, but, it speaks to me.
Grayrock
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Offbeat: It is close to .22: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96019768
Oddball: http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0400/410.htm
Otherwise "rare". It's a rimfire! : http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96227159
Oddball: http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0400/410.htm
Otherwise "rare". It's a rimfire! : http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96227159
45Broomhandle
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Somewhat Oddball
Here are some from my collection. This is JUST the semi-auto looking group although ALL are SINGLE-SHOT. Got other single-shots which look like smashed flat revolvers!
Left to right: Fiala Model 1920; Hartford Arms; Sheridan Knocabout; WAMO Powermaster; S-M Sporter, and Stevens No. 10.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy!
Here are some from my collection. This is JUST the semi-auto looking group although ALL are SINGLE-SHOT. Got other single-shots which look like smashed flat revolvers!
Left to right: Fiala Model 1920; Hartford Arms; Sheridan Knocabout; WAMO Powermaster; S-M Sporter, and Stevens No. 10.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy!
BBroadside
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Okay, I used to lust after the New Advantage Arms, which is similar to the Mossberg Brownie, I think. There was a smaller version of the COP derringer in .22 WMR ... which makes for a whole slew of 4-barrel 22s made well after the pepperbox era.
Along the same lines, is HJS's Frontier Four derringer ... which is going for $1000 these days?
The American Derringer Model 1 isn't inherently odd; it's just weird to chamber a .22 LR on the same frame that can be chambered for .45-70 Government.
Does anyone else sort of like the Springfield M6 Scout Pistol? I just can't get over loving the way it looks ... like an elegant yet dangerous dinosaur.
I'm pretty sure most zipguns are .22 LR. I wouldn't recommend trying to fire or buy one though....
Okay, this isn't strictly a handgun, but it's small, and it is DEFINITELY an oddball. Scroll down to XM1822. Let me say two things: (a) that product should not exist and (b) I MUST HAVE ONE. (Okay, I'm sure I'll never go through the legal rigamarole to get a darn grenade launcher, but sometimes when I see things, I want them. Though shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife's grenade launcher accessories.)
I've seen .22-caliber knives before, but this is the only one I can find.
(I saw a picture of a purported .22-caliber bayonet fixed to an AR-15, described as "a gun with an attached knife that is also a gun" ... but I think it was a joke. Of course, my first thought was ... I wonder if you could sight-in the bayonet to use your standard iron sights??)
I think the suppressed version of the High Standard (WWII) and Ruger (Vietnam era) pistols are pretty odd ... another legally complicated choice.
Also, I think there was a pistol variant (barely!) of the Calico LWS chambered for .22 LR. Tell me how that thing survived during the assault weapons ban!
Along the same lines, is HJS's Frontier Four derringer ... which is going for $1000 these days?
The American Derringer Model 1 isn't inherently odd; it's just weird to chamber a .22 LR on the same frame that can be chambered for .45-70 Government.
Does anyone else sort of like the Springfield M6 Scout Pistol? I just can't get over loving the way it looks ... like an elegant yet dangerous dinosaur.
I'm pretty sure most zipguns are .22 LR. I wouldn't recommend trying to fire or buy one though....
Okay, this isn't strictly a handgun, but it's small, and it is DEFINITELY an oddball. Scroll down to XM1822. Let me say two things: (a) that product should not exist and (b) I MUST HAVE ONE. (Okay, I'm sure I'll never go through the legal rigamarole to get a darn grenade launcher, but sometimes when I see things, I want them. Though shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife's grenade launcher accessories.)
I've seen .22-caliber knives before, but this is the only one I can find.
(I saw a picture of a purported .22-caliber bayonet fixed to an AR-15, described as "a gun with an attached knife that is also a gun" ... but I think it was a joke. Of course, my first thought was ... I wonder if you could sight-in the bayonet to use your standard iron sights??)
I think the suppressed version of the High Standard (WWII) and Ruger (Vietnam era) pistols are pretty odd ... another legally complicated choice.
Also, I think there was a pistol variant (barely!) of the Calico LWS chambered for .22 LR. Tell me how that thing survived during the assault weapons ban!
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45Broomhandle
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More Oddballs
BBroadside, I'm with you. I'd surely like to find one of those Springfield M6 pistols.
As for the Brownie, I also collect Mossberg Brownies because I became fascinated with the idea that Mossberg collectors concentrate on the company's long guns, and very few know ANYTHING about the Brownie!!! That was the gun that got O.F.Mossberg & Sons started in the gun-making business - it's the "Founding Father" - and yet no one could tell me much about them. So I did the research and reported what I had learned. Below is pic of the 3 KNOWN Variations, plus an unmarked "lunchbox gun."
Speaking of oddballs, here's an unmarked single-shot .22 I recently obtained. Am still looking for ANY info on it. Only mark is the number 12 on breechblock and frame. It is not a "home-made" affair. Whoever built this thing had a VERY well equipped shop, and was VERY well trained in gunsmithing. (Grips shown are in process of being shaped.)
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
I carry a gun! 'Cause a cop is too heavy...
BBroadside, I'm with you. I'd surely like to find one of those Springfield M6 pistols.
As for the Brownie, I also collect Mossberg Brownies because I became fascinated with the idea that Mossberg collectors concentrate on the company's long guns, and very few know ANYTHING about the Brownie!!! That was the gun that got O.F.Mossberg & Sons started in the gun-making business - it's the "Founding Father" - and yet no one could tell me much about them. So I did the research and reported what I had learned. Below is pic of the 3 KNOWN Variations, plus an unmarked "lunchbox gun."
Speaking of oddballs, here's an unmarked single-shot .22 I recently obtained. Am still looking for ANY info on it. Only mark is the number 12 on breechblock and frame. It is not a "home-made" affair. Whoever built this thing had a VERY well equipped shop, and was VERY well trained in gunsmithing. (Grips shown are in process of being shaped.)
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
I carry a gun! 'Cause a cop is too heavy...
mek42
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Would the double-barrel 22 barrel for the G2 contender count as oddball enough?
Also, not a handgun, but I recall someone selling an adapter thingee for an M203 grenade launcher that instead fired off something like 23 rounds of 22 LR simultaneously.
Also, not a handgun, but I recall someone selling an adapter thingee for an M203 grenade launcher that instead fired off something like 23 rounds of 22 LR simultaneously.
The Wiry Irishman
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CLASSIC!!
That has to go in my sig line!
theNoid
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Hey folks, I would sure like to thank everyone for their participation in this thread. I have added a few more to the want list again. Is it just me or does your "want list" always tend to grow faster than your "have list" does?
Noidster
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45Broomhandle
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Flattened Revolvers?
Here are the only two single-shot .22rf I own which look like revolvers - that have been run over by a steamroller!
Top is a nickeled S&W Model of 91. Serial numbers match on frame, barrel release latch, and extractor. Still retains recoil shields of the original 1st Model revolver. According to Supica's book only 862 were made in .22rf. I've paid for a research letter on this gun from Smith & Wesson Historian. This one has some flaking and wear in the nickel finish. The 1st Model was produced between 1896 and 1905.
Bottom is the Colt Camp Perry. This is one of 2,525 produced between 1920 and 1941. Have factory letter saying it was shipped to a Fort Worth dealer in January of 1934. Note these did NOT have recoil shields. This one is in excellent condition.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ~ George Carlin
Here are the only two single-shot .22rf I own which look like revolvers - that have been run over by a steamroller!
Top is a nickeled S&W Model of 91. Serial numbers match on frame, barrel release latch, and extractor. Still retains recoil shields of the original 1st Model revolver. According to Supica's book only 862 were made in .22rf. I've paid for a research letter on this gun from Smith & Wesson Historian. This one has some flaking and wear in the nickel finish. The 1st Model was produced between 1896 and 1905.
Bottom is the Colt Camp Perry. This is one of 2,525 produced between 1920 and 1941. Have factory letter saying it was shipped to a Fort Worth dealer in January of 1934. Note these did NOT have recoil shields. This one is in excellent condition.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ~ George Carlin
45Broomhandle
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Still Want An S - M ?
Hey, Noid. How serious are you about wanting one of the S-M Sporters? I searched for years with NO luck, and then found THREE for sale this year! Bought the first one I found for sale at auction - and paid through the nose for it!!!
I just got another one for about half the price. Ignored the second one 'cause it didn't work right, and even its originator, President of the company, and co-designer, Sydney Manson, admitted the gun was really a little POS.
This latest one is supposed to be in excellent condition, as is my first one. It will probably be a week before I receive this one.
Once it's in hand I'll be keeping ONE of them and selling off the second one. When I sell, or trade, it will be with ALL the documentation about it that I've been able to a obtain. Remember, there were probably less than 600 made, and it was available ONLY in 1953.
Lemme' know...
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
Here's a nice vintage ad I found for it...
Hey, Noid. How serious are you about wanting one of the S-M Sporters? I searched for years with NO luck, and then found THREE for sale this year! Bought the first one I found for sale at auction - and paid through the nose for it!!!
I just got another one for about half the price. Ignored the second one 'cause it didn't work right, and even its originator, President of the company, and co-designer, Sydney Manson, admitted the gun was really a little POS.
This latest one is supposed to be in excellent condition, as is my first one. It will probably be a week before I receive this one.
Once it's in hand I'll be keeping ONE of them and selling off the second one. When I sell, or trade, it will be with ALL the documentation about it that I've been able to a obtain. Remember, there were probably less than 600 made, and it was available ONLY in 1953.
Lemme' know...
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
Here's a nice vintage ad I found for it...
Zach S
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Only an "oddball" in the sense that the conversion kit is on a dedicated frame. Most people take the cheap way out and use a conversion on a 1911 they already own, nothing wrong with that though.
A dedicated frame is expensive to build (more than a ruger 22/45 when using quality parts on an old frame) and a new factory built rimfire 1911 costs as much, if not more, than an a nice entry-level 1911 in .45. Depends on your definition if entry level.
Hell, I have more invested in my polished turd than what an entry-level 1911 costs.
Carl N. Brown
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My step dad had a Fiala when he was young, and you could tell he regreted not keeping it, the way he talked about that gun. It was a magazine fed, manually operated repeater, with pistol and rifle barrels and detachable shoulder stock.
WHB Smith promoted that S-M Sporter as a low-cost training pistol.
WHB Smith promoted that S-M Sporter as a low-cost training pistol.
45Broomhandle
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That's the gun, Carl. Do you remember if he mentioned it still having its fitted case with it?
According to what I've read about the S-M Sporter, WHB Smith designed the little pistol, and it further states, "...he and Sydney Manson had it manufactured by...".
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
According to what I've read about the S-M Sporter, WHB Smith designed the little pistol, and it further states, "...he and Sydney Manson had it manufactured by...".
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
45Broomhandle
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Just ran across this old thread. Sorry some of my photos previously posted were lost when I rearranged my album at Photobucket. Unfortunately I can't find how to edit these posts, like on other forums. So I can't replace them.
Above is updated photo on the Brownie collection. There are now FOUR known Variations with my recent discovery of one we call the #2.5 Variation.
And, below is that missing vintage S-M Sporter ad from the April '53 American Rifleman.
Just recently added the oddball shown below to the herd. This is a WAMO Powermaster Rifle. The "magazine" is a actually a storage place for 2 boxes of .22lr ammo. Now need to find a WAMO Hamilton Dueling Pistol.
And, has anyone seen the Big Horn from the late '60s. Only 1200 of 'em made. I just obtained this one from an online auction. Not in hand yet so this is the auction house photo.
Got a bunch more in the collection but will try to add them to the thread later.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.
Above is updated photo on the Brownie collection. There are now FOUR known Variations with my recent discovery of one we call the #2.5 Variation.
And, below is that missing vintage S-M Sporter ad from the April '53 American Rifleman.
Just recently added the oddball shown below to the herd. This is a WAMO Powermaster Rifle. The "magazine" is a actually a storage place for 2 boxes of .22lr ammo. Now need to find a WAMO Hamilton Dueling Pistol.
And, has anyone seen the Big Horn from the late '60s. Only 1200 of 'em made. I just obtained this one from an online auction. Not in hand yet so this is the auction house photo.
Got a bunch more in the collection but will try to add them to the thread later.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.
Shear_stress
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This is one of the few necrothreads I'm glad to see resurrected. No oddball rimfire thread would be complete without the Cobray Pocket Pal, one of the oddballest of them all:
http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/gunsfs/cobray.html
http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/gunsfs/cobray.html
Carl N. Brown
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Garcia Bronco .22 single shot rifle, any one? All metal, takedown, one resides in my camp out kit with first aid, candles, plastic poncho, multi-tool and other emergency gear.
gyvel
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You're thinking of a Trejo .22 cal Model 1 or 2, "Tipo Rafaga."
45Broomhandle
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Carl N. Brown, Dan Shideler had an interesting historical article on the Garcia Bronco, and similar, in the April 7, 2006 edition of Gun List.
It's well illustrated including an old full-page ad from an unknown 1970s magazine. Firearms International of MD made it first and sold to Garcia in 1970. It was then that they started making the variations of it including 22/410, 410 only etc..
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
It's well illustrated including an old full-page ad from an unknown 1970s magazine. Firearms International of MD made it first and sold to Garcia in 1970. It was then that they started making the variations of it including 22/410, 410 only etc..
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
y.old.ndn
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45Broomhandle
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y.old.ndn that old WAMO ad in his offering is one I posted elsewhere. I've got all kinds of 'em. Here's my Powermaster Pistol.
Found another guy out in Nebraska who has one of the WAMO Rifles.
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Found another guy out in Nebraska who has one of the WAMO Rifles.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
gyvel
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LOL
I had one in back in the day because they were $9.95. It became obvious very rapidly that they were a bear to eject, not accurate, and not durable. The ZAMAK receiver eventually broke and that was it. I think I still have a couple of parts left over from it.- Status
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