jlpskydive
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As reported above he is one in the same. Good for the officer for defending himself. Good riddance of the scum bag that jumped him. My .02 YMMV
Off-duty cop kills man in bar fight
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I still don't have a clue what happend, so I won't pass judgement...
Lots of Qs, no As.
I will say this, if the officer envoled in this shooting turns out to have been drinking, I hope he is charged with a crime. Since we all know any CCW holder would be.
Lots of Qs, no As.
I will say this, if the officer envoled in this shooting turns out to have been drinking, I hope he is charged with a crime. Since we all know any CCW holder would be.
What's CA law on the subject? Is drinking while carrying prohibited? If not, why would a permit holder be charged?
What are the particular regs of the agency that the officer works for? Is drinking while carrying prohibited for him, regardless of whether non-LEOs can or cannot do it? If not, why would he get jammed up?
MarcusWendt
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That is literally a BIG "if"
I hope the officer gets an award, the newest Crown Vic delivered to CMPD, and a promotion.
I hope the officer gets an award, the newest Crown Vic delivered to CMPD, and a promotion.
MarcusWendt
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Because some people just hate it that the police have a little more perceived power than they do.
In reality, officers are under the public microscope and get beefed and a note in their file over all kinds of stupid crap that most civilians wouldn't even be given a dirty look for.
If the allegation is true that he smacked the woman on the rear (which in various jurisdictions constitutes sexual assault or sexual battery), would you feel the same way?
It's one thing to be glad that someone (regardless of profession) was able to defend themselves and put some chlorine in the gene pool. It's quite another to reward stupid behavior just because things worked out as you liked.
Larryect
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If he was drinking, AND it was a good shoot. I doubt that California law will hold it against him. California law is funny that way.... even for non-leo...
FWIW, I think the law is you can't be under the influence and I think that is defined by the legal level of driving a car. Not sure because I don't drink, so I haven't paid real close attention to that. But, I could probably look it up.
FWIW, I think the law is you can't be under the influence and I think that is defined by the legal level of driving a car. Not sure because I don't drink, so I haven't paid real close attention to that. But, I could probably look it up.
wait so killing some one, even if its justified off duty if grounds for promotion?
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Drinking while carrying in CA is illegal, infact the act of sitting at a bar( even if its attacthed to a resterant) is illegal. Both of these apply to off duty cops as well.
Some do, some don't. Whether an officer is under the microscope depends on the type of department, the type of community the department is located in, and the history of interaction between the two. The instances where an officer does something wrong and nothing happens to them is where a lot of the mistrust grows from.
MarcusWendt
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If it happened as they say it did, it was mistaken identity, and he apologized, yes, I'd still feel the same way. I've made that mistake once myself and grabbed my sister in laws rear. It happens.... unless you never have patted, smacked, or grabbed your wife's butt that is.
Did you read this link: http://www.dui1.com/DuiCaseLawDetail16900/Page1.htm
The "vicitm" was a professional ***** who attacked people with beer bottles among other things. He and his little thug crew make a habit of starting trouble. They rob and beat people for fun. They go out looking for trouble and they found it.
I've got better target identification skills than grabbing someone I couldn't absolutely verify was my wife, whom I would still refrain from fondling in public. Then again, apologizing over a mistake isn't a defense to a tort or criminal complaint over such conduct, so I make it a rule not to fondle people.
MarcusWendt
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No, but effectively employing deadly force while under attack form felons is. He was being beaten and was dazed and he still got four hits out of five, one a fatal chest shot. He at least deserves a shooting medal.
Well, since the officer was in a restaurant and just stepped out to get some air and witnesses say he WASN'T drinking, I guess we don't have a problem.
BattleChimp Potemkin
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Nascarman,
You have my total and unappended apologies. From details given, I had been operating on badly timed information. To all, my apologies on this matter and former posts. I did not know of this repeat offender and his history. Given a history like that, wouldnt they just keep someone locked up? He seems to be rather raunchy, with all the past records stacked against him. Im not a fan of "he deserved dyin' " but maybe the world would be better off without some folks (myself included
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You have my total and unappended apologies. From details given, I had been operating on badly timed information. To all, my apologies on this matter and former posts. I did not know of this repeat offender and his history. Given a history like that, wouldnt they just keep someone locked up? He seems to be rather raunchy, with all the past records stacked against him. Im not a fan of "he deserved dyin' " but maybe the world would be better off without some folks (myself included
).MarcusWendt
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Good for you. I make it a rule not to throw chairs and then attack people four to one. Maybe we should both get awards as well.
How do you know thats what happend? I sure as hell don't. As I said in my post, "lots of Qs, no As"
the Resterant manger said he was not drinking... oh it must be ture then... he would not lie to cover his resterants liquor licenses, no that would never happen... I also doubt that he watched him the entire time he was eating...
cassandrasdaddy
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they haven't given up yet? a new group of suspects still trying to change reallity? after the first group slunk off quietly
Absolutely. We are both in a position to say "we didn't do anything that could have instigated this." That's what intelligent people do, particularly when carrying firearms.
I have no desire to do something that I think is innocuous but which an idiosyncratic person finds to be provocative.
MarcusWendt
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Which point are you unclear on?
MarcusWendt
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Well, at least BattleChimp Potemkin had the sack to come in and apologize and admit his error.
MarcusWendt
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Where to start???? Hmmmm, O.K., if under attack, you repel the attackers against overwhelming odds and in the process rid the world of an evil aggressor, you deserve an award, and or a promotion. I don't think he deserves a "metal". A concert in his honor by Metallica maybe, but not a "metal". I do think his attacker deserved lead, which is what he got.
Have you ever heard of the Congressional "Metal" Of Honor? Most of the recipients of that "metal" were repelling attacks and were often taking lives.
So you do not dispute the facts that I wrote and you quoted, correct?
sacp81170a
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Unfortunately, that's not how the criminal justice system operates in this society. If you saw how much some people had to do to even get sent to prison for a couple of years, you and most other rational people would be going "***"? From the sound of it, this guy had about an average rap sheet. I've seen people with lots worse walking around foot loose and fancy free and I'm not even in a big metropolitan area. Part of this is due to sentencing formulas and guidelines and part is due to prison overcrowding.
There's a good reason most felons say they are far more afraid of armed citizens than uniformed police. They know what to expect from us and the CJ system. They're far more likely to get shot and killed by armed citizens. That's why I advocate CCW and encourage everyone who can carry a firearm legally to do so.
MarcusWendt
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Yes a Crystal ball would be spectacular, but instead all I have are the officer's statement, the owners statement, and the statement of other independent wits.
Oh but wait, we have scumbag's buddies and his mommy telling us how mean the police were after this officer just lost it and started shooting.
Let me know what the Easter Bunny brings you this year TAB.
yes and wittnesses always see everything and have photo graphic memorys...
as I said, I won't pass jugdment on the officer until I have all the facts, too many Qs no real As.
I still want too know why you think killing some one is worthy of a reward.
as I said, I won't pass jugdment on the officer until I have all the facts, too many Qs no real As.
I still want too know why you think killing some one is worthy of a reward.
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