P95Carry
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Just in .... haven't chased up details yet .........
OH NO!!! Another shooting spree :(
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Dionysusigma
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Time to ban schools, as shootings happen there all the time. 
Where were his parents?
And is it just me, or do the numbers seem off?
4 students
+1 shooter
+1 teacher
+1 Security guard
= 7 total dead (Not including the grandparents, since two elderly people don't seem to count as part of a shooting spree).
Where were his parents?
And is it just me, or do the numbers seem off?
4 students
+1 shooter
+1 teacher
+1 Security guard
= 7 total dead (Not including the grandparents, since two elderly people don't seem to count as part of a shooting spree).
Standing Wolf
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See? That just proves we need to ban those terrible .50 caliber rifles that can shoot down airliners from 17 miles away.
WillBrayJr
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From what I read, his parent were dead. He appearently killed them before going on the shooting spree. If only people were mature and responsible.
DWS1117
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My prayers go out to the families of those involved.
I have yet to see what weapon was used, but my money is one something on the evil list.
I know it is premature but this sure feels like a precursor to AWB 2.0.
:banghead: 
I have yet to see what weapon was used, but my money is one something on the evil list.
I know it is premature but this sure feels like a precursor to AWB 2.0.
:banghead: Maybe I'm just getting old (OK, I'm 44), but growing up in the 1960's and 70's, I can't recall a single school shooting (or workplace either, that made headlines, anyway). Hell, that was when you could buy an AR-15 at Woolworth's.
What's with these %#!* losers today? Mommy not hug them when they were little? Maybe it's the rap music
What's with these %#!* losers today? Mommy not hug them when they were little? Maybe it's the rap music
EasternShore
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If I read correctly it was his Grandfather's service weapon, his Grandfather was an LEO appearently. Not that it matters.
DWS I think you nailed it, this on the heals of the AWB of 05 is certain to rally the anti crowd, worse yet it puts more folks on their side. This will be thrown around by the anti crowd as a reason to protect the children, once again not that it would matter what type of firearm it is.
Man this breaks my heart anymore, the loss of life and the fact that my immeadiate reaction was not one of sorrow but one of anger at the set back this will create for gun rights. :banghead: I know it sounds horrible but I just can't grieve for some one I never met, not when it is something I see everyday anymore.
I do however still get angry that they anti gun socially sensitive crowd in this nany state will blame the tool. I see DC news everyday, not just the shootings but the machete attacks that are popular with MS13, the beatings and muggings, and it gets ignored 
but one shooting and here we go again "BAN THEM FOR THE CHILDREN!!!"
Sorry for the rant I am going to get a drink, a very stiff tall drink...
DWS I think you nailed it, this on the heals of the AWB of 05 is certain to rally the anti crowd, worse yet it puts more folks on their side. This will be thrown around by the anti crowd as a reason to protect the children, once again not that it would matter what type of firearm it is.
Man this breaks my heart anymore, the loss of life and the fact that my immeadiate reaction was not one of sorrow but one of anger at the set back this will create for gun rights. :banghead: I know it sounds horrible but I just can't grieve for some one I never met, not when it is something I see everyday anymore.
I do however still get angry that they anti gun socially sensitive crowd in this nany state will blame the tool.
I see DC news everyday, not just the shootings but the machete attacks that are popular with MS13, the beatings and muggings, and it gets ignored but one shooting and here we go again "BAN THEM FOR THE CHILDREN!!!" Sorry for the rant I am going to get a drink, a very stiff tall drink...
TallPine
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Apparently, he didn't notice the sign that said "No Weapons" on his way in the door either ...
DWS1117
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Easternshore:
I know exactly how you feel. When I heard this on the radiowhile driving home from work my initial reaction was anger over how this is going to get twisted against gun owners.
I bet DiFi is doing a happy dance because this may be the "ammo" she needs to take away our guns again.
I am not that old (33) and went to school in the mid to late 80's. We had M1 Garands for the ROTC color guard and drill team. They were the real deal. No plugged barrels, cut receivers, or wood things coverd in tape. We used to practice our 21 gun salutes firing blanks on the school lawn. Never had any problems.
Even when I was in school if some kids had a problem with each other it was settled with skin and everyone crowded aroung encouraging them.
I know exactly how you feel. When I heard this on the radiowhile driving home from work my initial reaction was anger over how this is going to get twisted against gun owners.
I bet DiFi is doing a happy dance because this may be the "ammo" she needs to take away our guns again.
I am not that old (33) and went to school in the mid to late 80's. We had M1 Garands for the ROTC color guard and drill team. They were the real deal. No plugged barrels, cut receivers, or wood things coverd in tape. We used to practice our 21 gun salutes firing blanks on the school lawn. Never had any problems.
Even when I was in school if some kids had a problem with each other it was settled with skin and everyone crowded aroung encouraging them.
molonlabe
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How many acts of violence does a child see before he is an adult? Oops, Hollywood can't be a fault here they just give us what we want.
I say we reap what we sow. people need to be taught to kill.
I say we reap what we sow. people need to be taught to kill.
Old NFO
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Latest update (per Fox News at 9:20 EST), it "appears" the Grandfather was a cop and his guns were used or contributed to the shooting spree. Total appears to be both grands, 3 students, 1 security, 1 female teacher and himself. There appears to be some question as to the number injured, but may be 15 persons. This is truly sad...
CentralTexas
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I place odds on it
that the kid was on Prozac or Accutane for acne. Hide and wait. The good news is he didn't have any thing that could be called an assault weapon.
CT
that the kid was on Prozac or Accutane for acne. Hide and wait. The good news is he didn't have any thing that could be called an assault weapon.
CT
I also find that my first emotional response to this event is anger.
I am upset that this will probably be used to drive anti-gun legislation, even though the weapon involved belonged to a LEO or retired LEO. But, the obvious conclusion for the anti crowd is to work towards banning private ownership, not banning LEO weapons. Kind of like the Nichols rampage... overpower and steal weapon from deputy, but no one is calling for a LEO weapon ban.
No, somehow this will twist into a new attack on evil, black guns or something like that.
And while I feel bad for the victims in this crime, I also feel angry that they were unfortunate enough to be in a victim disarmament zone as required by law.
One has to wonder about the security guard who was shot and killed. Was the security guard armed? If not, what the heck kind of security can he provide? Seeing as he is dead, obviously not an awful lot.
I notice that a lot of students and teachers called police or parents for help. I am not certain that a cell phone can provide an awful lot of protection against a shooter who is wandering around a school. Maybe if the phone was made of steel plate and was at least a few feet wide and a yard or two tall. Calling the police when a madman is on the prowl is like calling the coastguard when your 30 miles off shore, your boat is sunk, and your surrounded by sharks: not much to do but wait to see who gets there first.
I also have to wonder just what kinds of drugs, prescription or otherwise, the shooter was on. Anyone want to bet he was on some form of prescription anti-depressant or other personality altering drug?
This kind of thing makes me think that home schooling may not be so bad.
I am upset that this will probably be used to drive anti-gun legislation, even though the weapon involved belonged to a LEO or retired LEO. But, the obvious conclusion for the anti crowd is to work towards banning private ownership, not banning LEO weapons. Kind of like the Nichols rampage... overpower and steal weapon from deputy, but no one is calling for a LEO weapon ban.
No, somehow this will twist into a new attack on evil, black guns or something like that.
And while I feel bad for the victims in this crime, I also feel angry that they were unfortunate enough to be in a victim disarmament zone as required by law.
One has to wonder about the security guard who was shot and killed. Was the security guard armed? If not, what the heck kind of security can he provide? Seeing as he is dead, obviously not an awful lot.
I notice that a lot of students and teachers called police or parents for help. I am not certain that a cell phone can provide an awful lot of protection against a shooter who is wandering around a school. Maybe if the phone was made of steel plate and was at least a few feet wide and a yard or two tall. Calling the police when a madman is on the prowl is like calling the coastguard when your 30 miles off shore, your boat is sunk, and your surrounded by sharks: not much to do but wait to see who gets there first.
I also have to wonder just what kinds of drugs, prescription or otherwise, the shooter was on. Anyone want to bet he was on some form of prescription anti-depressant or other personality altering drug?
This kind of thing makes me think that home schooling may not be so bad.
CentralTexas
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And remember
These kinds of things have always gone on...
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/bath/index_1.html
Year-1927!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/kids2/index_1.html
Year-1874!
These kinds of things have always gone on...
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/bath/index_1.html
Year-1927!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/kids2/index_1.html
Year-1874!
mr.trooper
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I noticed that they are now stating the LEO weapon as a fact.
I just know this is ging to come down to "ban the guns!"
Nevermind the endless hours of violence that our children are fed from the time there little kids, nevermind the fact that they are never disciplined, nevermind the fact that they are never taught any respect, nevermind the fact that we pump them full of unstable drugs for eveory sigh and hickup...its all about the guns
I just know this is ging to come down to "ban the guns!"Nevermind the endless hours of violence that our children are fed from the time there little kids, nevermind the fact that they are never disciplined, nevermind the fact that they are never taught any respect, nevermind the fact that we pump them full of unstable drugs for eveory sigh and hickup...its all about the guns
CentralTexas
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I can't wait until tomorrow when people are talking
about this and I will say "Too bad we aren't as smart as the Israelis and let teachers carry guns, then the body count would have been a lot less"
CT
about this and I will say "Too bad we aren't as smart as the Israelis and let teachers carry guns, then the body count would have been a lot less"
CT
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In this incredibly weird world of ours, we create centers where hundreds of helpless innocent people are congregated, unguarded by law, and then wonder why monsters go there for their orgies of slaughter.
The blood of those innocents is on the hands of those who disarmed any who might have saved them. Blood is on _their_ hands, as surely as if they had killed them, themselves.
For they _did_.
And damn them all for it. Damn them all. Never forget that those who want guns banned, restricted, registered, or "controlled" will happily throw the corpses of _your_ children on the pyres of their own arrogant stupidity.
As the news of the latest school shooting unfolds, advocates of victim disarmament are rubbing their hands and gleefully planning use of the whirlwind they reaped for us, to make all of us as helpless as those poor murdered children. They are going to tell us, again, that making _all_ decent people helpless will somehow make the murderous monsters into harmless sheep.
We put armed men in armored trucks to keep pieces of colorful paper and base metal disks from being stolen. We accept that any who work in our schools enforce a wide open helplessness of our most precious assets, our children. This is insane. Worse, this is _evil_.
The blood of those innocents is on the hands of those who disarmed any who might have saved them. Blood is on _their_ hands, as surely as if they had killed them, themselves.
For they _did_.
And damn them all for it. Damn them all. Never forget that those who want guns banned, restricted, registered, or "controlled" will happily throw the corpses of _your_ children on the pyres of their own arrogant stupidity.
As the news of the latest school shooting unfolds, advocates of victim disarmament are rubbing their hands and gleefully planning use of the whirlwind they reaped for us, to make all of us as helpless as those poor murdered children. They are going to tell us, again, that making _all_ decent people helpless will somehow make the murderous monsters into harmless sheep.
We put armed men in armored trucks to keep pieces of colorful paper and base metal disks from being stolen. We accept that any who work in our schools enforce a wide open helplessness of our most precious assets, our children. This is insane. Worse, this is _evil_.
P95Carry
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CT - true but - have to say ''Could'' rather than ''would''. There would at least have been a greater chance that things could have been contained and reduced in severity.
Chances are - any CCW would have to have reacted real quick - but almost certainly ''could'' have reduced the body count. The need for school CCW is IMO ever more pressing - but I won't hold my breath!
Thing is - there is a need for MORE guns in schools - not less or none. I wish ''they'' would see the logic of this.
ZeroX
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Since it was his grandfather's service gun, it was almost definitely a revolver. Meaning that no one took the initiative to go after him during any of his reloads. Even not knowing specifics, that's almost as sad (and maddening) as the whole situation itself. Of course, it's hard to say anything at this point other than the anti's clamoring to prepare their dastardly plans.
WillBrayJr
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Some people are just natual born killers The kid was grinning and laughing while shooting. He would have killed people eventually anyway, even if he didn't have acess to firearm. He would have just used something else like a chainsaw or an ax. The Kid was a bad apple from the get-go!
The kid was grinning and laughing while shooting. He would have killed people eventually anyway, even if he didn't have acess to firearm. He would have just used something else like a chainsaw or an ax. The Kid was a bad apple from the get-go!one45auto
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I don't think we'll see any great push for additional gun control, at least not until the Democrats regain either the Presidency or control of congress. Just the same, knowing how these incidents provide grist for the gun-grabbers mill, it makes me want to run up my charge card buying the guns I want now - while I still can.
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