OH NO!!! Another shooting spree :(

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Clearly a trajedy in every sense - for those who've lost their lives and those families that must go forward with the loss of loved ones. Senseless.....

Access, Access, Access.............this crime is a case of poor gun storage. Not that different than leaving your car keys available for your pre-driving age teens to gain access and harm someone.
 
Local station is saying 10 dead now. Just saw something that said he had some pistolS and a shotgun. Ah, and now we cut to the Jacko trial :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity, do Reservations have different gun laws than the rest of the country? I know their drug laws are different....
 
Weapons used

I'm sitting in the newsroom, watching a live feed of WCCO's 10p newscast. Word from Red Lake is that the kid had a shotgun and several of his grandfather's pistols.
 
I thought I heard "pistol", but it could just as well have been "handgun". Most of the people in my biz (TV news) don't know the difference between a revolver or a pistol (semi-auto).
 
I think the gun control dim-wits will keep quiet on this because it involved LEO firearms. How can they possibly use this to their advantage? It doesn't involve gunstores, gunshow loopholes, cop-killer ammo, assault weapons (at least as would be affected by an AWB), or any of their other crap. The rank and file in LEO, I presume, don't want the Brady's dictating to them, and so the "Chiefs of Police" and such organizations don't want to hear any BS from the Brady's about requiring officers to store their personal weapons locked up.

It's a dead issue.
 
I wonder how much recent events (Atlanta & Wisconsin church) play into the mind of folks like this kid.

Sometimes it seems like our national 24 hour a day news channels do not help what in the past what might be only a local story.

Not to excuse the actions of the "suspects" in these cases but they WOULD seem to excuse (re: Philly "CCW ban" nonsense) overall law abiding gun ban proposals as opposed to the MUCH MORE DIFFICULT examining of why some citizens use guns or any other weapon/means to act out on their problems.

It appears to be a modern thing, yet maybe it happened in the past but wasn't trumpeted to the masses as "the latest national story".
 
Burt Blade wrote:

In this incredibly weird world of ours, we create centers where hundreds of helpless innocent people are congregated, unguarded by law, and then wonder why monsters go there for their orgies of slaughter.

The blood of those innocents is on the hands of those who disarmed any who might have saved them. Blood is on _their_ hands, as surely as if they had killed them, themselves.

For they _did_.

And damn them all for it. Damn them all. Never forget that those who want guns banned, restricted, registered, or "controlled" will happily throw the corpses of _your_ children on the pyres of their own arrogant stupidity.

As the news of the latest school shooting unfolds, advocates of victim disarmament are rubbing their hands and gleefully planning use of the whirlwind they reaped for us, to make all of us as helpless as those poor murdered children. They are going to tell us, again, that making _all_ decent people helpless will somehow make the murderous monsters into harmless sheep.

We put armed men in armored trucks to keep pieces of colorful paper and base metal disks from being stolen. We accept that any who work in our schools enforce a wide open helplessness of our most precious assets, our children. This is insane. Worse, this is _evil_.


Excellent post, well said. Most of what I was thinking.
 
I'm so.. so.. enraged when things like this happen! I dunno how to really convey what I think, I'm sort of.. seeing red, at the moment, but I'll copy and paste what I typed [edited, of course] to a friend on AIM about the whole thing.

"[Deity-related expletives]! What is with all the "shooting rampages" in the last two months?! There've been, like, four!

What the hell is wrong with people in this country?!

There was only ever ONE serious school-attack-thing before the eighties and nineties, and that was in the 20s or 30s by some crazy [freak] in the middle of [absolutely] nowhere, and he wired the whole place up with bombs, he wasn't, like, a student, he was this middle-aged guy with a beef against the town because they did something to his land, or something.

And now, in the nineties and early two-thousands, there have been, what, fifteen or twenty?!

They should just give a shottie to every teacher in every highschool, and then, when some piss-ant [idiot] who can't deal with being teased ((note: I know I'm oversimplifying, but I'm angry, c'mon)) brings his daddy's shotgun to school, the teachers just paint the little [---] all over the lockers, and when the news crews get there, they broadcast footage of that little [---]'s torn, splattered corpse on every channel. Let all our little homebrew psychopaths get a nice, full-size view of what you get when you [screw] with the school-system."

*wheeze, wheeze*
~Slam_Fire
 
Like I've said before, your average public teacher in no way should be allowed access to firearms from what I've seen over the years. However I believe certain individuals in the school that have proven their competence with arms/mental stability should be granted use in case of emergency, maybe in an arms locker, etc. Even taser use would be *something*.

Schools are considered sacred ground to every parent in America. Why aren't they better defended?
 
My high school had an on campus deputy and an armed parole officer. They also trained for this type of event every couple years with paintguns, flashbangs, smoke, etc… Still, you can’t stop a student if he's determined to wreck havoc without looking for the signs. Every school shooting i've heard about has one thing in common. They always tell someone. If people would just take students seriously things like this wouldn't happen.
 
An issue I have with school shootings is the lack of help these students have and the lack of pity they receive. When I was in high school teachers cared more about their pay then the well being of they're students. These students who result to shooting people are depressed and feel that they have no where to go. It’s not that their evil, they just feel like making all the people who wronged them feel their pain. (Ever saw the movie Carrie?) That’s why I think that it’s not the students fault. They're sick and they need help. When I was in high school I didn't have many friends but the thought of taking out the people who made my life a living hell wasn't something I wanted to. So instead of staying in the environment that poisoned me, I left and started a new life, which is exactly what this poor boy should have done.
 
I would bet that this will take the wind out of Minnesota getting Shall Issue back. even if we get it back schools are still off limits for CCW. Slimestien will still use this to push the AW ban if one gun has a mag that holds more than 10 shots. she will just not mention that they are LE guns that were used. since when have the facts ever been used by the anti crowd all they use is emotional BS.
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remember the Long Island RR shooting that was used as one of the reasons for the 94 AW ban? because he had a 15 shot mag in the pistol used. from what I remember at awbansunset.com was that the shooter had only one 15 shot mag and was on his 3rd time of reloading the mag when he was stopped. but that bit if info never made it in the news. why would this be any different?
 
Dionysusigma wrote “Where were his parents?â€

This morning’s paper claims his father committed suicide 4 years ago and his mother is in a nursing home with brain damage caused by a car accident.

I’m thinking he is of the age when he would start to notice northern Minnesota doesn’t have a lot of employment prospects. And late March is still winter up there.

None of this is an excuse his actions, but that’s a lot for any 17 year old to bear. He does not have to bear it anymore, but he created a lot of grief for a lot of other people to have to bear. For those people this tragedy will live on for ever.
 
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El Tejon, though sarcastic, your first statement bears some semblance to the actual events.

One interview I read with a student in the room where the shooting happened told the reporter she heard gunshots and told her teacher. The teachers response? "Oh, that's just the janitors doing something."

We have to change the sheeple mentality.
 
Speaking of sheeple, I read one report that said teachers herded the students from room to room trying to get away from the shooting. :fire: Why do I have mental images of trenches and Nazis and Jews. :cuss:

Safe to say we'll see the usual suspects serve up the usual solutions to the same problems. I think it advisable some gun rights activists in the state make a list of the laws the kid violated on the way into the school. Then make a list of the laws he violated while shooting in the school. Have those two lists served up and ready for a fax storm to the news outlets when they start the usual mantra.

Next stop? A terrorist hit on an American school. It will happen.
 
garrett, my first comment was shamelessly stolen from Jeff Cooper speaking of the Louisville, KY shooting which was inspired by the Stockton, CA shootings. The killers do this because no one fights back.

The solution: fight back. However, in the Age of the Wimp, denial of the real world does not offend feelings. Feelings are far more important than living. :rolleyes:
 
Well if we confiscated all guns except from criminals, and we banned any type of dicispline for juveniles, and let them have anything that they want, the kid wouldn't get so upset to shoot people. :rolleyes:
I hate it when people will not take responsibility for their actions. When my dad was growing up in the 40's and 50's, there were less gun laws, more discipline, and less crime from juveniles.
 
Well, given that everything the kid did was already illegal, starting with stealing grandfather's guns, the argument that more 'gun control' is needed doesn't hold water. But then again, when have the anti's ever needed or responded to logic? Criminals do what crimnals do, including ignoring laws.

Very sad event in any case.
 
another example of how brilliant victim disarmament is. if teachers were armed in schools, and schools were not off limits for CCW (meaning students with CCW could carry in school), then this kind of thing could be easily prevented.
 
I hate it when people will not take responsibility for their actions. When my dad was growing up in the 40's and 50's, there were less gun laws, more discipline, and less crime from juveniles.
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I agree.

the zero tolerance crap didnt stop it, making it a gun safe zone didnt stop it,laws against juveniles having guns didnt stop it, none of the current laws stopped it. the schools cant do this or that now because it offends someone-"johnny" has to taught to be politically correct now.

The parents were gone,who was there to help this kid deal with his problems? Nobody taught him responsability, nobody worked with this kid and nobody bothered to reach this kid.More gun laws is not whats needed and more laws will never solve problems like this.

yup, I remember the days when I went to school as well, things have changed.
 
I work with troubled teens, some of them with borderline IQ's and even the most thuggish, POS, never-going-to-be-anywhere-but-in-a-government-insititution-for-the-rest-of-their-life knows that it's wrong to kill.

They know the differences between right/wrong, life/death, fantasy/reality.

Unless the kid was actively psychotic at the time of the shooting then he is 100% responsible for his actions.



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Even if you allow guns in school and MN had shall-issue CCW, you're not going to see students with pistols in the classroom, for the simple reason that this is high school, not college, and no state that I know of will give a CCW permit to someone under 18. Teachers might have them, maybe. And maybe if guns were allowed, and it were deer season up there, you'd have a ton of 4x4s with deer rifles in gun racks in the parking lot.

If the grabbers take anything from this, I predict it will be stricter safe-storage laws, since apparently the kid was using his grandfather's LEO firearms. Although I haven't seen any info on how exactly the grandfather and grandfather's girlfriend (yes, that's right-I'm guessing the grandfather was in his late 40s) were killed.

From some reports I've read, there were signs, although a lot of them would have described half the artist-types in my high school. Into Goth, dressed in black, liked to draw pictures of things like skeletons and write about death. The art section in my high school paper was filled almost completely with drawings of Death, demons, etc, with poems on the same topics, plus the general awfulness of life as a middle class white kid in suburbia.

Now, the fact that he hung out on Nazi internet bulletin boards, posting as NativeNazi and Todesengel (Angel of Death, in German), and professing admiration for Hitler, and threatening to shoot up the school on Hitler's birthday, that maybe should have been looked into.
 
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