OH NO!!! Another shooting spree :(

[c_yeager]

Don't make the mistake of believing this to be a problem exclusive to the United States. It is a worldwide issue.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

Don't forget that this modern "wave" of school shootings started with a shooting in Scotland (also the shooting that led to many of our beloved Brittish gun laws). Incidentially that shooter used a shotgun IIRC.

 

[jobu07]

I think IO333 summed it up, a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

JayJ said:

Clearly a trajedy in every sense - for those who've lost their lives and those families that must go forward with the loss of loved ones. Senseless.....

Access, Access, Access.............this crime is a case of poor gun storage. Not that different than leaving your car keys available for your pre-driving age teens to gain access and harm someone.

What?! First of all, I have not yet read of the circumstances under which he got the guns. The grandfather whose guns they were was murdered. Perhaps the kid hit him on the head with a pipe while he was wearing his duty gun in uniform! That would not be an issue of "poor gun storage," unless you think that an LEO on duty should lug around his gun inside a gun safe.

Funny, when I was a kid, my parents' car keys were ALWAYS accessible to me. My dad had a badass silver Trans Am, too! But I knew right from wrong, and I never took the car without authorization. Why are you making excuses for misbehavior by kids, and laying blame on "access"? That strips all responsibility for wrongdoing away from the actual wrongdoer. Absurd.

-Jeffrey

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

dirtwater doc wrote:

When it became un-acceptable to physicaly dicipline kids in schools I belive teachers lost a pretty important tool.

This kid was obviously more than a little disturbed. Do you really think having his teachers beat him would improve the situation?

 

[Weimadog]

they took God out of the classroom but left Hitler there

If you want to find God in the classroom, go to Iran.

(oops, wrong God)

 

[kfranz]

I wasn't saying that all teachers don't care about their students. Just most of the ones I had at my old high school.

Could be. Most schools I've seen have a mix

Thats part of the problem. Most kids spend more time at school then they do with their parents. At school its your job to be the guardian. And if your not willing to do that then your part of the problem.

Kids spending more time with their teachers than their parents is a family problem, not a school problem. It is NOT the job of the teacher to be the guardian, no matter how much you wish it were so.....

If your not aware of the emotional status of your students then thats another problem. I can't tell you how many times I got the ???? beat out of me while teachers and administrators did nothing. If you haven't seen it happen then either everyone at your school is a saint or your blind.

You getting the %%%% beat out of you is an observable phenomenon, and should have been dealt with. The mental state of someone you see for 50 minutes a day, while also seeing 25 other kids at the same time is NOT so easily observed. I'm a special ed teacher, and I see a small group of kids for FAR more time in any given day than a regular ed. teacher would, and at best, I can guess what's going on inside their brains. School isn't a residential facility, and kids often aren't real open with family or emotional issues. I'm sure though, that once you make super teacher status, it'll all be different....

 

[slzy]

when Hitler was left in the classroom you have one of the strongest personalities in history. the massive theatrical structure of Wagner,the stagecraft of Goebbels, Speer and Leni,the most impressive uniforms ever sewed,a black and white doctrine that is easy to follow,in other words Hitlers ability to memerize is undoubted. Now whatever God you may want to refer to,although the vitrolic anti-Semitism that seems to exist especially in Muslim nations,was promoted by Hitlerite factions in the Middle East,hoping to reunite the defunct Ottomans back into the fray as in WW1.There is a book called the Hitler Virus that goes into great detail of Hitlers message into the Mid East,so Hitler probably gets an uncredited appearence in Irans classrooms.
Perhaps by God here i mean plain human decency ethics and morals. I have no intention to argue theology or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I guess they all could if they so desired. Hitler represents the monstrous conclusion of Its All About Me.Incredible conceit and self centeredness.

 

[san408]

Thats part of the problem. Most kids spend more time at school then they do with their parents. At school its your job to be the guardian. And if your not willing to do that then your part of the problem.

No sir. It is NOT my job to be a guardian.

Is it my job to make myself accessable? Is it my job to be sensitive to the situations these kids deal with? Yes on both of those.

If you think that teachers should be surrogate parents during the school day, then I say that you and all the other people that have bought into all of the PC crap are part of the problem. Raise your own damn kids. Let me educate them, THAT'S my job, incase you hadn't noticed.

If your not aware of the emotional status of your students then thats another problem. I can't tell you how many times I got the ???? beat out of me while teachers and administrators did nothing. If you haven't seen it happen then either everyone at your school is a saint or your blind.

Well, then I guess most of the kids at my school must be saints. We have our share of fights, but for the most part it's pretty quiet. What does the emotional status of my students have to do with Chemistry professor? If I'm teaching a class, I'm supposed to read their minds? I teach, not psychoanalyze. If someone is obviously having problems, I always offer to listen, but two thirds of the time it gets shrugged off.

Remind me, how many hours are there in a day??? Yeah, no kidding? 24 you say? 24 FULL hours?

Well guess what Dr Spock? I get these kids for 55 minutes out of that day, if you expect me to raise them, then you're an idiot, and definately don't need to write any books about child rearing.

 

[White Horseradish]

when Hitler was left in the classroom you have one of the strongest personalities in history. the massive theatrical structure of Wagner,the stagecraft of Goebbels, Speer and Leni,the most impressive uniforms ever sewed,a black and white doctrine that is easy to follow,in other words Hitlers ability to memerize is undoubted. Now whatever God you may want to refer to,although the vitrolic anti-Semitism that seems to exist especially in Muslim nations,was promoted by Hitlerite factions in the Middle East,hoping to reunite the defunct Ottomans back into the fray as in WW1.There is a book called the Hitler Virus that goes into great detail of Hitlers message into the Mid East,so Hitler probably gets an uncredited appearence in Irans classrooms.
Perhaps by God here i mean plain human decency ethics and morals. I have no intention to argue theology or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I guess they all could if they so desired. Hitler represents the monstrous conclusion of Its All About Me.Incredible conceit and self centeredness.

What the hell are you talking about?

How is Hitler in the classroom, aside from being mentioned in a history book? Or do you suggest we pretend he never existed? I have neither seen personally nor have ever heard of any US school instructing students in detail on Hitler's theories.

What does Middle East antisemitism and the Ottomans have to do with a screwed-up kid on an indian reservation in Minnesota?

As far as god in the classroom, that has been tried on the indians already. They used to take away their children and forcibly give them a "christian education". Sure seems to have worked wonders.

 

[Gordon Fink]

If you want to find God in the classroom, go to Iran.

(oops, wrong God)

Nope. Same god. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the God of Abraham, AKA Jehovah. But, yeah, Iran is a stellar example of theocracy in action.

~G. Fink

 

[KaliforniaSerf]

24 hours in a day

8 hours in school

8 hours for sleep

2 hours at home alone

6 hours around parents

( And thats with parents that don't work late )

 

[io333]

How is Hitler in the classroom, aside from being mentioned in a history book? Or do you suggest we pretend he never existed? I have neither seen personally nor have ever heard of any US school instructing students in detail on Hitler's theories.

Very weird. I had never heard of any of this before, so I dug around and found this.


I don't really know what to make of it yet, but it is interesting.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Quote:
If you want to find God in the classroom, go to Iran.

(oops, wrong God)



Nope. Same god. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the God of Abraham, AKA Jehovah. But, yeah, Iran is a stellar example of theocracy in action.

~G. Fink

Mr. Fink beat me to it. Same god, different name.

 

[KaliforniaSerf]

I learned about Hitler from the history channel and band of brothers. Damn I loved that mini series.

 

[Farnham]

Ban morons...

House Bill M14.308, An Act to prohibit morons acting out, or morons using morons acting out as a reason to ban inanimate objects.

Regardless of parenting, teaching, legislation, or religion, morons have always and will always be present. Moronic behavior by simpletons, ignoramuses, scumbags, and any other stripe of asinine individual should be recognized for what it is, and be suitably punished. Blaming moronic behavior on completely inanimate objects or other people is indicative of deep seated asinity, and should be punished even more severely.

Morons that commit acts that are already illegal (murder, rape, jaywalking) should be punished to the fullest extent of the applicable law, immediately and without mercy. Morons that advocate the passing of moronic legislation after recognizing that a moron was at fault should be placed into the Great Hamster Wheel energy generation station proposed in House Bill 1873.45LC (Farnham, R-TX) until asinity is sweated out or heat stroke renders them vegetative.

Proposed by Farnham, Representative (R-Texas)

PS: I don't care if this kid was raised by wild hogs, he is responsible for his actions. I get all the time, and you don't see me mowing people down. I've even got better guns and I'm a better shot. Morons suck.

 

[Stand_Watie]

deleted.

Sorry forgot the 'no religion' rule.

 

[P95Carry]

Please folks - NO religion - it is non THR and usually goes where we don't wanna go!

 

[HankB]

I place odds on it

that the kid was on Prozac or Accutane for acne.

DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER.

In this morning's American Statesman (the local Austin, Texas rag) it was reported that the perp actually WAS on Prozac and had been hospitalized at least once for "suicidal tendencies."

This is SO predictable.

 

[Grey54956]

All Right!!! Score another one for PROZAC!!!

Seriously, prozac has its place, but we tend to overmedicate people, especially the wrong people. It isn't a wonder drug and it has its dangers like:

"WARNING: IF YOU ARE APE-**** CRAZY, DO NOT USE THIS PRODUCT. POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS INCLUDE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!"

Honestly, beginning to wonder if the overuse of prozac is part of some giant leftist conspiracy to turn the country against the 2nd... FOIL HAT: ON!