telomerase
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There's a practical plan. They can start by trading places with the biggest welfare recipients in order of cost, so Archer Daniels Midland, Halliburton, etc. can get on the boat to Guatemala.
Oh, those horrible immigrants
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There's a practical plan. They can start by trading places with the biggest welfare recipients in order of cost, so Archer Daniels Midland, Halliburton, etc. can get on the boat to Guatemala.
An immigrant goes to the embassy or consulate, applies for a visa and work permit, enters the country legally and becomes an American citizen.
Anyone who doesn't feel the need to follow our laws is not an immigrant, but a criminal.
telomerese,
Would it be ok if I came onto your land and started growing crops on it without your permission? Of course I would work hard and use the money I made from your land to feed my family. Oh and since I was on your land, working hard, if I were to become ill, I should expect you to pay for my medical care. After all I work hard.
Anyone who enters the country illegally is a criminal. A felon under our laws. As such they are not deserving of citizenship. Personally I think we should treat them as we do any other felon. Lock them up for 5 years, then deport them. I'm sure that KBR could build detention centers on public land in Nevada or New Mexico where we could hold these felons for their 5 year sentence before we deported them. They could work hard to raise the food and pump the water it takes to sustain them.
If they were guilty of any other crime besides being in the country illegally, they would serve their sentence in a state or federal prison before going to the camp to do their 5 year sentence for entering illegally.
A nation that refuses to protect it's borders is not a soveriegn nation. If these people didn't have easy access to the American economy they would take an interest in their own domestic politics and change things in their own country.
If we don't do something now, in 15 years we'll have the same problems they are having in Europe.
If I were in charge our amnesty program would be that all undocumented immigrants had 180 days to leave the country. Any found in the country after that would go to the detention center to serve their 5 year sentence. CEOs of companies that hired illegals would do 10 years in the same detention centers as the illegals working with their hands to produce the food they ate.
Jeff
Anyone who doesn't feel the need to follow our laws is not an immigrant, but a criminal.
telomerese,
Would it be ok if I came onto your land and started growing crops on it without your permission? Of course I would work hard and use the money I made from your land to feed my family. Oh and since I was on your land, working hard, if I were to become ill, I should expect you to pay for my medical care. After all I work hard.
Anyone who enters the country illegally is a criminal. A felon under our laws. As such they are not deserving of citizenship. Personally I think we should treat them as we do any other felon. Lock them up for 5 years, then deport them. I'm sure that KBR could build detention centers on public land in Nevada or New Mexico where we could hold these felons for their 5 year sentence before we deported them. They could work hard to raise the food and pump the water it takes to sustain them.
If they were guilty of any other crime besides being in the country illegally, they would serve their sentence in a state or federal prison before going to the camp to do their 5 year sentence for entering illegally.
A nation that refuses to protect it's borders is not a soveriegn nation. If these people didn't have easy access to the American economy they would take an interest in their own domestic politics and change things in their own country.
If we don't do something now, in 15 years we'll have the same problems they are having in Europe.
If I were in charge our amnesty program would be that all undocumented immigrants had 180 days to leave the country. Any found in the country after that would go to the detention center to serve their 5 year sentence. CEOs of companies that hired illegals would do 10 years in the same detention centers as the illegals working with their hands to produce the food they ate.
Jeff
Pilgrim
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That's interesting. I worked for the Sheriff in a town where perhaps 1/2 the population was Spanish speaking, a good portion of them illegals working on the surrounding farms. The biggest screwing the illegals took came from their 'countrymen' who had been here a generation.
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telomerase
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No illegal immigrant has taken any of your land. They pay rent.
The Federal and state governments, on the other hand, have taken 42% of the land in the United States. Most of this land is not parks; it is being used, often at your expense by the politically connected through the Forest Service, BLM, etc.
But once again, you're up against people with real power. It's a lot easier to blame your problems on Mexicans, Jews, Gypsies, etc. than to deal with reality.
longeyes
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That ingores the growing political clout of the illegal alien lobby and the fact that you can expect, if current trends persist, most of these folks to be voting. You think they are going to vote GOP or conservative? No way, Jose: they want fo PROGRAMS for themselves and their children, and pols like Hillary are all too ready to give those to them.
Telo, we all recognize that concentrated governmental power is part of this problem. Who here doesn't oppose Statism? But Government expansion and illegal alien influx work in tandem.
Phyphor
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Biker said:
holy crap, you've got that over in Idaho, too? I figured that was just what us western states were 'blessed' with.
good god, if ANYTHING would make one wish for a powerful directional EMP pulse generator.........
Phyphor
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Boogyman said:
yea, but that somebody could be bothered to actually apply for a work visa, then maybe get a proper drivers license / whatnot, as opposed to just jumping the border, driving illegally, and leeching what they can off the system.
Guess that's just too much to ask. Lotta hard work getting that paperwork....
longeyes
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Yes.
I liked The Iliad. Homer rapped that well. Ditto The Odyssey. All downhill from there.
I liked The Iliad. Homer rapped that well. Ditto The Odyssey. All downhill from there.
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I don't think this problem will really be solved until we address the fact that the 5th wealthiest nation on Earth is a 3rd-world country whose natives will walk across deserts and take $2 an hour fruit picking jobs just to get out of...
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longeyes
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AKA the musical equivalent of Montezuma's Revenge.
georgeduz
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its not the fault of poor immigrants ,just because are goverment is so dumb.socialist programs is the goverments fault.because only the goverment can take care of us,the whole plan is doomed to fail.here in nj its seems they only give medicare to the mexicans,they always give the poor whitetrash a hard time,making them bring all kinds of paperwork to prove where they live and how much they make.and of coure the mexicans pull up in new cars.but thats our goverments fault.its not the immigrants that must be stopped its the welfare that should be stopped.
telomerase
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I like Weird Al's Amish rap. I don't like immigrants with telekinetic power that blow up cities, though, so I guess there's one class of immigrants that should be prohibited, Akira.
I know a German postdoc who tried to get through the paperwork for five years. Never did get a green card, now works in France.
Remember guys, when Global Cooling hits we're all going to be headed south across the Rio Grande.
telemorese said;
If they are in my country illegally they have taken part of my land. I won't tolerate tresspassers on my property and neither would you. If they want to immigrate they must follow the law. If they don't they are criminals.
I sometimes fill in on a small police depart near where I work full time, covering vactions, sick leave etc. That town has a large illegal population. We, the taxpayers pay their rent, through subsidized housing programs like section 8. We the taxpayers subsidize their medical expenses through medicaid.
Almost none of them have drivers licenses. We subsidize their accidents through higher insurance rates.
And no the solution isn't to give them the rights they would have if they were legal. The solution is to send them home and let them follow the proper procedures if they wish to emigrate. You follow the law, I follow the law, it's only fair that everyone else does or they pay the consequences. that my friend is the problem that most US citizens have with illegal immigration. It's not a racist thing, it's not an economic thing. We are a very generous people. It's simply a legal thing. We would not illegally enter their country and live off thier social programs. All we ask is that they don't do the same with ours.
My ancesters legally migrated from Germany to Brazil to the US on my mom's side and from Scotland to the US on my father's side. All I ask is that those wanting to come here and live follow the same procedures. If you don't, you're legally a felon and are barred...period.
Jeff
If they are in my country illegally they have taken part of my land. I won't tolerate tresspassers on my property and neither would you. If they want to immigrate they must follow the law. If they don't they are criminals.
I sometimes fill in on a small police depart near where I work full time, covering vactions, sick leave etc. That town has a large illegal population. We, the taxpayers pay their rent, through subsidized housing programs like section 8. We the taxpayers subsidize their medical expenses through medicaid.
Almost none of them have drivers licenses. We subsidize their accidents through higher insurance rates.
And no the solution isn't to give them the rights they would have if they were legal. The solution is to send them home and let them follow the proper procedures if they wish to emigrate. You follow the law, I follow the law, it's only fair that everyone else does or they pay the consequences. that my friend is the problem that most US citizens have with illegal immigration. It's not a racist thing, it's not an economic thing. We are a very generous people. It's simply a legal thing. We would not illegally enter their country and live off thier social programs. All we ask is that they don't do the same with ours.
My ancesters legally migrated from Germany to Brazil to the US on my mom's side and from Scotland to the US on my father's side. All I ask is that those wanting to come here and live follow the same procedures. If you don't, you're legally a felon and are barred...period.
Jeff
longeyes
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Not if Morris Dees has his way.
KriegHund
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Ide have no problem if illegal immigrants registered as citizens and paid taxes etc.
Its the unregistered illegal immigrants that piss me off.
Legal immigration is just dandy with me.
Oh, and if they had to learn english- instead of making me learn spanish.
And i dont get what idiotic government foreighn policies have to do with me having issues with the above ^^^^
Its the unregistered illegal immigrants that piss me off.
Legal immigration is just dandy with me.
Oh, and if they had to learn english- instead of making me learn spanish.
And i dont get what idiotic government foreighn policies have to do with me having issues with the above ^^^^
Lupinus
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The hell they aren't. Ask any skilled laborer. Walk onto job sites, see who is working it most of the time. Ask the janitors, and others who do grunt work. Sure, they aren't taking the hundred thousand a year jobs. But they are taking plenty o fthe 20 and 30 thousand a year jobs. Not all of them are out there picking your oranges, they are also building your house sweeping your office buildings floor and many things plenty of americans ARE willing to do. They may not be willing to pick oranges in 120 degree weather. But plenty are plenty willing to change light bulbs push brooms and do construction work.
I'd rather pay the 25 an hour to have it built right and solid then the 10-15 to have it build half assed by guys that can't read the instructions and barly speak the language of the boss. And it is relative, more work means you can chage less. If you used to get three ten dollar an hour jobs a week and now you only get one cause so much work is being taken by illegals of course you have to raise your price to keep your family fed. I make seven dollars an hour, to break even I either have to ask for more hours, or ask for a raise. But I can't break even without one or the other. The amount of work isn;'t going up which means a smaller piece of the pie for the guys being pushed aside by illegals have to raise their prices to break in.
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Boogyman said:
If there were no unregistered aliens they would not have to work for 2$ an hour. They would work for minimum wage, or they could start unions. If the lettuce companys chargen an additional 3$ for a head of lettuce, their sales would drop.
SO they would have to quite making Mucho-Denero or they would go out of business.
Boogyman said:
Only one problem using that argument-
The world has changed just a little in the past 100 years.
telomerase said:
Yes, its only a matter of time before the holocaust of the hispanics occurs...(that was sarcasm)
And in a way your right- the problem IS our representattives and our president. The problem with them is that thay arent doing anything to stop immigration.
Stopping illegal immigration wont magicly make the worlds problems go away. But it will make, over time, it so that california does not spend 220 billion on the problem. The immigrants can become part of the solution, not the problem.
We could open our borders up even more than they are now...allow millions to flock to our lands...
But theres a few things i want to know before we do that-
What will millions of poor, unemployed, non-english speaking immigrants do to our economy?
What will they do to our government?
What will they do to our nationality?
What kind of strain wil they put on public education, health care, welfare, transportation, and every other type of government service?
Get enough rats onto a boat full of cheese, and soon enough, that boat isnt going to be carrying cheese as its main cargo anymore....despite the cheeses best efforts to help the poor starving rats.
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telomerase said:
Most of the Chinese arrived here and did the bulk of the dirty work building the railroad in the late 1860's.
Marijuana was made illegal in the 1930s because politicians in Arizona stated Mexicans were illegally coming into the country, then committing crimes while smoking weed.
The Latin immigration issue is not new.
Highland Ranger
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I don't care what jobs they take.
They need to come here legally and pay their dues like my ancestors did.
When I think of my wife's family waiting in Argentina for 10 years to be called, and these people waltzing across the border . . . . . it just makes me MAD.
This is not racial or prejudice of any kind as some of the low road comments in this thread are leaning.
It's about I-L-L-E-G-A-L immigration. As in against the law. As in killing the country.
They need to come here legally and pay their dues like my ancestors did.
When I think of my wife's family waiting in Argentina for 10 years to be called, and these people waltzing across the border . . . . . it just makes me MAD.
This is not racial or prejudice of any kind as some of the low road comments in this thread are leaning.
It's about I-L-L-E-G-A-L immigration. As in against the law. As in killing the country.
longeyes
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Those folks already exist: they are called Americans. They're the people thrown out jobs by illegals.
longeyes
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The Constitution requires the President to safeguard our country against invasion. Not only is Bush not doing that he postures as "welcoming" and "compassionate." If he came out forcefully against illegal immigration and offered a serious program to stop it, we could turn this around PDQ.
The problem with Bush is that he is a very compromised man.
The problem with Bush is that he is a very compromised man.
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