Omaha Shooter: AK47 Unlocked Closet, Handguns Hidden, Owner on Vacation

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Gun Hawkins used came from ex-stepdad’s closet
By PAUL HAMMEL, Omaha World-Herald
12/13/2007

That is what allowed Robert Hawkins to take the AK-47-style assault rifle he used last week in the rapid-fire slayings of eight people at the Westroads, his former stepfather said Wednesday.
Mark Dotson said his ex-wife was staying at his southwest Bellevue house with their two daughters when she invited Hawkins, her son, over for dinner. It was the night before the Westroads shootings.

Dotson, who was in Thailand on a vacation with a girlfriend, said Hawkins took his rifle from a closet when his ex-wife left with the girls to buy a birthday present at Wal-Mart. They were gone an hour, he said.

When Dotson’s ex-wife, Maribel “Molly” Rodriguez, returned, Hawkins abruptly ended a session on the Internet, said goodbye and “plenty of I-love-yous” and left.

“After the fact, she thought she could have read something into that,” said Dotson of the mother. “She feels horrible.”

A day after attending the private burial of her son, Rodriguez was in New York, her ex-husband said. Reached by telephone Wednesday night, Rodriguez declined to comment.

Part of an interview with Rodriguez by ABC News aired Wednesday might. Her account of the evening spent with her son matched Dotson’s. She said she’s “thinking now that my life is over.”

“I’m sorry, so sorry,” she said. “Please forgive me and please forgive my little Robert.”

The comments from Rodriguez and Dotson, their first since the Dec. 5 shootings, shed light on how Hawkins obtained the gun used in Nebraska’s deadliest single shooting incident.

According to Dotson, Hawkins knew that weapons were stored in a bedroom closet at Dotson’s house. So before he left for Thailand on Nov. 24, Dotson hid the handguns usually stored in that closet.

Dotson said he left a black AK-47-style rifle in the closet so that his ex-wife could protect herself and the girls against intruders.

The couple divorced 11 years ago, he said, but had sustained a relationship for the sake of their children.

Dotson said he never imagined that his former stepson would do harm to himself or others with the guns, but he didn’t trust him enough to leave the handguns out.

“He’s 19. . . . I just thought it would be better to not leave them in my closet,” Dotson said.

Because of Hawkins’ previous brushes with the law — for fighting at school, possession of alcohol and sale of marijuana — Dotson had kept the boy away from his weapons, he said. Dotson did recall going target shooting with him once more than a decade ago.

Dotson said the night before the Westroads slayings, Hawkins told his mother that he had lost his job at McDonald’s — an account that differs from previous statements that Hawkins was fired the morning of the slayings.

Despite losing his job, Hawkins didn’t appear distraught or upset, just “neutral,” his former stepfather said. He told his half sisters that he couldn’t get them discounts anymore because he lost his McDonald’s job, and he searched the Internet with his mother for job openings.

“That hardly seems like the act of someone in despair or someone who is suicidal,” Dotson said.

Hawkins’ mother, Dotson said, left the home for an hour with the two daughters. She discovered the rifle missing later that night, Dotson said, and sent him an e-mail in Thailand, saying that “the black gun is missing” and to “call me right away.”

She told ABC News that she thought Hawkins planned to sell or pawn the gun.

Dotson said that when he finally checked his e-mails, he misunderstood the message and reassured his ex-wife: “Don’t worry, I put all the pistols out of sight.”

The return e-mail to his ex-wife, he said, probably didn’t arrive until about the same time she was being shown two suicide notes and a will left by Hawkins at the home where he had been living, about a mile away.

Dotson said his ex-wife immediately alerted law enforcement. She brought the notes to the Sarpy County Sheriff’s Office about 30 minutes after the start of the shooting spree, unaware of what had happened.

“Even then, there was no indication that he was going to do this,” Dotson said, referring to the mall massacre.

Rodriguez told ABC News she learned that her son was the gunman three hours later.

She said he had left voice mail for her earlier that day: “Mommy, I love you. I’m sorry. I will talk to you later.”

Dotson, who is a contractor who travels for his job, said he learned of the Westroads shootings and his former stepson’s involvement by watching CNN in Thailand.

He said he took the first flight he could get back to Nebraska.

“I spent 24 hours of traveling wondering what we could have done differently.”
 
Right, because it's not as though a 19-year old non-felon could just walk into any gun store in the country, fill out some forms, hand over some cash, and walk out with any long gun or long guns of his choosing.

Blaming the victim (the gun owner is a victim of a theft!) is the way to solve crime?
 
But he knew the stepson was a nut, and was coming over. I'm no gun-grabber, but I think we all need to take some responsibility, or we'll certainly see our rights disappearing!
 
The guy didn't find the guns that were hidden. It worked. If they were in a safe the guy would have broken into the safe in the ample time he had available.

Besides, women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped.
 
It was mentioned on another thread that the shooter was on or had been on some sort of medication.
Looking up drug side effects I've found that many supposed anti pyschotic and anti-depressents actually cause suicidal thought patterns and disregard for others.

Years ago there were a series of inexplicable ritualistic murders in which a parent would place all their children in a bath tub and cut their throats. The suspects in each case were taking the same medication.
I'd have to look it up but I think a similar ritualistic child killing happened just a few years ago, possibly in Texas, the perp had been under heavy medication for post partum depression.

Screwing around with the chemistry of the human brain is a dangerous business.

We think that drug induced behaviour is random and short term but sometimes it can be a matter of long term distortion of reality and ritualised behaviour.
 
I've found that many supposed anti psychotic and anti-depressants actually cause suicidal thought patterns and disregard for others.

This is quite true for a lot of cases especially involving anti-depressants. People at the peak of their depression have a massive sense of lethargy and inaction; they don't really do much at all. With medication or with time, as they slowly come out of that state, they are still depressed but now they are much more active then before. This is why we see people who seemed to be better all of a sudden commit suicide.

Psychological help can be very effective and can do good for a lot of people. The problem is that the individual has to voluntarily want the help that is being offered. If I'm of the mindset that everyone is out to get me and I hate this world and all of a sudden some doctor throws a bottle of pills at me, what am I to think? They threw Cho a bottle and told him to be normal. This I think added fuel to the flame.
 
We tend to look at this as black and white. Hawkins took the gun and killed people and himself, end of story.

But something drove Hawkins to kill. The moniker of being a "nut job" is too easy.

There was a break down in this kids family support.
Mother had been married at least 3 times staying with an ex while he was away with his girl friend.
Who knows where the biological father was.

Seems it could be an episode for blue collar tv.

These shootings won't stop, and more importantly our gun rights won't stop being trampled on till the problems with these disfunctional familes are addressed.
 
Sometimes I think that "normal" is a state of conditions that is not realistic. I wonder when I look at other mammal species how the adult males engage in combat during the rut, to conserve territory, or otherwise. Ants engage in aggression. Seems to me sometimes that to expect our young adult males to behave without aggression or combative behavior is to have a huge disconnect from the true nature of our species.

I don't *know* why these guys did what they did. I know that they do it, they engage in similar behavior in Iraq with bomb vests, and somehow while many decry this conduct, the loudest often don't *accept* that it happens and take precautions to protect themselves and their loved ones from these actions.

I know I can't fix the problem, if it be a problem. Murder has been part of the human species since Caine slew Abel. Perhaps it is just part of who we are as a species. Either way I don't see a whole lot of benefit from me trying to understand *why* so much as accepting it and preparing myself accordingly.

This is just my take on it.

That said, I remove the firing pins from my firearms before storing them, and put the firing pins elsewhere.
 
Either way I don't see a whole lot of benefit from me trying to understand *why* so much as accepting it and preparing myself accordingly.
This is just my take on it.

And your take is quite accurate and sensible, and realistic.

We can't stop a hurricane, but we can prepare for it by building levees and dikes. To be in denial about where and how often a storm will landfall is useless and dangerous. Chances are that it won't hit where we live...but it hits somebody almost every year.
 
I don't think that either parent was a member of The High Road... :what:

Meaning what???

We understand security issues and methods of safe gun storage. They obviously didn't. Apparently neither parent had any reason to think that the young man was about to become a mass killer. The step-father's concern seems to be that he would take the guns to sell or pawn for money. I have no idea what the mother's firearms skills might have been, but leaving an AK to provide for her protection seems like a poor choice - but there is no evidence that the step-father had any source for better advise.

The observation that disfunctional famlies often produce problem children is a valid one. While this often isn't true, studies have shown that there is a link.

If the media wanted to do something constructive they might use incidents such as this one to offer articles and instructions on methods for safe storage of firearms. They won't of course, because that isn't on their adgenda.
 
In the similar case we had up here, the crazy son was kept away from the firearms and kept under the watchful eyes of his parents. Know what the son did? He took a machette and hacked them up. Then he took his father's revolver and came to my neighborhood. With the dangerously crazy, all you can do is kill them or put them away for life.
 
I sure wouldn't want a thief to carry out a shooting massacre and a suicide with one of my guns. I take reasonable steps to prevent theft by kids or undedicated thieves. The owner did not take reasonable steps in this case, particular since he was on vacation with his new squeeze. A common crackhead would have found the handguns and definitely the AK47. This gun owner was being irresponsible with his weapons.
 
If he had instead stolen his stepfather's car and then intentionally run someone over, would we be having this conversation?
 
That's a good point. Negligent entrustment of an auto requires some knowledge that the person is not a safe driver. It also requires a voluntary entrustment. Theft doesn't count.
 
OK, forget the negligent entrustment issue. It's about reasonable steps, as a gun owner, to prevent theft. There are none here. For analogy, it's like he left his car unlocked and keys in the glove compartment and then went on vacation.

Eight people were massacred; one committed suicide. Well, at least the AK47 was there for self-defense if the wife needed it…

If we compare the two, it blows a hole in the pro-gun movement's primary argument, that is, self-defense. The shooter could have gotten a gun from somewhere else. That’s an interesting thought. The fact is that he didn’t. He walked off with an AK47 from a gun owner who left the gun wide open for self-defense purposes.
 
NO ONE could have foreseen that the idiot could smuggle an AK into the mall. They have police, security and surveillance. I would have said it was impossible. The same way the 9/11 was impossible. It is one of those things that is SO unlikely, that you could try to do it 5 or 6 times and get caught every time.

It isn't anyone’s fault that this happened. Quit trying to explain it. Nutcase killed people and then killed himself. It has been happening since the dawn of time.

jakemccoy

You are using gun control logic. There is no logic to this. Bad things happen. As I said above, you and I could try to smuggle an AK into the mall and get caught every time. It is almost as if the stars had to be aligned for this kid to do what he did...

The tragedy of the human experience is that adversity makes us stronger, better. Think of all the things we wouldn't accomplish if we could "change" or "stop" the bad things from happening.





STOP with the effective storage nonsense. I have a gun safe. Given 2 or 3 hours, a thief can defeat that safe. There is nothing else to be said about it. It honestly doesn't matter how your store your weapons. What we need to do is quit worrying about crime and figure a way to SEE THE FUTURE or BRAINWASH every one clock work orange style...
 
jakemccoy said:
For analogy, it's like he left his car unlocked and keys in the glove compartment and then went on vacation.

Actually it's not, it's not like anything.

The kid stole the gun, no analogy needed. Just because he didn't have to break a window or cut a lock to steal doesn't change the fact that he stole the gun.
 
It isn't anyone’s fault that this happened

Ahh, the current motto of modern day society. It makes sleeping at night that much easier.

God forbit we should try and understand why this happend so maybe, just maybe it can be prevented in the future and thus the excuse, "guns kill people" can be put to rest.

Why is that years ago when it was more common to see kids carrying a gun to school to go hunting afterwards, school shootings were non existant?

What changed to make modern day kids want to mass murder?

Yes killing has been going on since the dawn of time, but when guns were more prevalent in the hands of kids, these mass shootings didn't exist.

I guess its much more simple to dismiss it as a bunch of fruit loops. Fixing the problem after all would take work and thought.
 
So then, on the flip side, how useful was the firearm going to be as a self defense tool if it was locked in a safe? I recall Oleg had a picture with a young boy and a rifle next to his bed recently, that everyone seemd to agree, that aside from the sling not being around the bed post, presented a good image. So who was to stop a bad person from sneaking in that boy's room and taking that rifle?

I will admit it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, especially leaving a semi auto rifle to a woman with probably no training for defense. But, it would have done her even less good if it had been dissasembled and all the parts locked into 3 different safes. Sure that would have been the "safest" way to store it, but as was stated, he probably still could have gotten it.

Hell he could have just gone on a stabbing spree at the mall with a kitchen knife. What we really need to look at is the fact that he stole the gun and then committed crimes with it. Regardless of the reasons he did it, that is where the problem lies, not with the "improper storage" of the weapon.
 
I guess its much more simple to dismiss it as a bunch of fruit loops. Fixing the problem after all would take work and thought.

Perhaps the acts of these people isn't the problem. There are many differences between the lives of those in our country 100 years ago and the lives we live today. Expectations have changed, individual responsibility has changed. There are many who believe that only police should have the monopoly on force because they are afraid. They will not be responsible for their own defense. Some people build homes on stilts on the ocean in Carolina to get wiped out each year, only to rebuild with insurance money. Spreading the risk and insurance and police and all of this societal leveraging is relatively novel.

The anger or rage or whatever chemical reaction that took place in that young man's mind was perhaps unavoidable.

I spoke with an individual in the City of Arvada Colorado about this the other day. She was of the opinion that it is all the fault of young men who come in contact with assault weapons and something must be done about it. There is something about the brain chemistry, desire for power, and hormones which in near proximity to a gun will render this result. I think it pretty plain that male hormones occlude the mind's ability to think rationally. I've seen too many bar fights between young GI's over some loose young woman to rule this out. These things are much less prevalent in the arena of older or middle aged men.

It is the fault of hormones. :rolleyes:

How are we to change that? We can't and we won't. We must simply accept that it happens, do what we can to redirect it, and individually prepare our own defense.

IMO.
 
A question to gun owners, if this happened to you, would you store your guns any differently if you had the chance to do it again? It sounds like many people are saying, "Nope, same routine." We're supposed to pride ourselves in being reasonable as gun owners. That's not being reasonable. How can we successfully debate with anti-gun folks if we can't be humble enough to recognize mistakes in our community? This is about taking the initiative to curb behavior without government intervention so that dumb crap like this doesn't cause the government to control my guns. There's plenty of blame to go around here. Obviously the shooter is to blame. However, for crying out loud, you would have to be heartless if this happened to you as a gun owner and you didn't feel one tiny drop of responsibility.
 
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