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rayjay, you're obviously a better man than I. After shooting the dog, I'd have been real tempted to shoot the owner. I bet he didn't think it was too funny when his dog got killed for his stupidity. Jacka$$!
Frank
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Whoops, bet Tim wishes he had shut up. Better luck next time, Timbo.
Joe, have you considered carrying in a hip pack? The bounce of the pack might not be very fun, but at least you could locate it some place comfortable.
P.S. You wouldn't catch me shooting at a dog with a .380. Dogs are tough mfers. However, you would catch me pepper spraying him like a bad waiter and a salad.
Joe, have you considered carrying in a hip pack? The bounce of the pack might not be very fun, but at least you could locate it some place comfortable.
P.S. You wouldn't catch me shooting at a dog with a .380. Dogs are tough mfers. However, you would catch me pepper spraying him like a bad waiter and a salad.
Joe, I carry my P32 in my running shorts all the time. Mine has the belt clip and I just make sure the drawstring on my shorts is tied firmly - no problem for any distance. If you wear Underarmour, it wouldn't even bounce a bit when running. Your P3AT would be great in this mode.
Tim Wilson, you need to be housebroken to play on this forum. And, make sure you know what you are talking about - you will be called out.
Tim Wilson, you need to be housebroken to play on this forum. And, make sure you know what you are talking about - you will be called out.
George H. - hahaha - maybe tie the T-bone on a string around your waist, dragging the ground to leave a scent trail...
Blues Bear - funny about the postal workers with 9mm...
By the way. About carrying a stick. Have you ever seen a stick used against a pit bull? Might as well be a cardboard tube. I would also want to carry something stronger than a .380. I don't know if a .380 would drop a pit bull. Something like a J-frame with +P 158gr SWCHPs or bigger (Glock 36?). And a lot of times, against a pit bull, it takes practically a contact head-shot to stop one. They are a whole 'nother class of dog.
Steve
Blues Bear - funny about the postal workers with 9mm...
By the way. About carrying a stick. Have you ever seen a stick used against a pit bull? Might as well be a cardboard tube. I would also want to carry something stronger than a .380. I don't know if a .380 would drop a pit bull. Something like a J-frame with +P 158gr SWCHPs or bigger (Glock 36?). And a lot of times, against a pit bull, it takes practically a contact head-shot to stop one. They are a whole 'nother class of dog.
Steve
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Its a sad thing when an owner treats a dog so poorly that it becomes so vicous and then makes you have to kill it defending your own life...
spacemanspiff
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i've used pepper spray several times on dogs that are loose and behaving aggressively. its not a cureall, but it might give you a few extra seconds to get away.
the one pit i sprayed sneezed it off and came back for seconds.
that was before i carried, now its going to be several rounds of 45acp.
never thought about dropping to a knee, sounds like a good idea. hope i can remember that when i have a growling demondog bearing down on me.
the one pit i sprayed sneezed it off and came back for seconds.
that was before i carried, now its going to be several rounds of 45acp.
never thought about dropping to a knee, sounds like a good idea. hope i can remember that when i have a growling demondog bearing down on me.
Dorrin79
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Glad you're ok, 45FMJoe
All this talk is giving me lots of reasons to never start jogging
and yes, I'd find a way to start carrying after that too.
Forget pepper spray. It may be useful for those who have to subdue suspects, but I would never trust my life to it.
All this talk is giving me lots of reasons to never start jogging
and yes, I'd find a way to start carrying after that too.
Forget pepper spray. It may be useful for those who have to subdue suspects, but I would never trust my life to it.
DJ E.
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Heh, I had a dream about a dog chasing me last night, and it got me thinking: I couldn't outrun a dog 25yds away from me for more than maybe 4-6 secs. Not that I'm super slow, it's just that my dog will chase me down in no time. This means I'd have to turn and fight or look for cover...I'd probably look for a minivan or something I could hop onto.
Bleh...I need to get back in shape.
Bleh...I need to get back in shape.
lee n. field
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Could I suggest that you wouldn't have been caught flatfooted if you didn't have the headphones on.
And maybe tossing a doggie treat his way might slow him down.
TallPine
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This is one reason that we finally gave up and just moved out in the country.
Stray dogs running around town despite the leash law, attacking our kids and our own pets. And the sheriffs won't do anything about it except warn me not to shoot dogs in town.
Out here I would just shoot any aggressive dogs on our property. (7.62x39 tranquilizer dart)
But all my neighbors are the same way, so we basically don't have dogs running wild out here (just coyotes and cougars )
Amazing how we can take care of ourselves better than the "authorities" can.
Stray dogs running around town despite the leash law, attacking our kids and our own pets. And the sheriffs won't do anything about it except warn me not to shoot dogs in town.
Out here I would just shoot any aggressive dogs on our property. (7.62x39 tranquilizer dart)
But all my neighbors are the same way, so we basically don't have dogs running wild out here (just coyotes and cougars
)Amazing how we can take care of ourselves better than the "authorities" can.
Carlos Cabeza
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45FMJoe, you're lucky ! I have seen first hand what a dog can do to a person. A coworker's son had been bitten in the stomach and on the thigh so badly we thought he would bleed out. His mother rushed him to the emergency room and his dad and I walked over to the neighbors house. ( He lives in a semi-rural area so it was quite the walk ) I didn't notice at first but "wildman" (the coworker) had grabbed his .44mag. and was holding it at his side. When we got there the homeowner said "the dog has been here all day". BS !!! So wildman says "go get him........NOW!" and yes there is blood all over the dog's muzzle and chest area. The dog's owner freaked out and started apologizing and in an instant wildman blows the dog's brains all over the front porch, then quietly turns and walks away. I thought for sure the sheriff would be there pronto but I guess the dog's owner understood the legal ramifications of the incident. Wildman's son still has some disfigureing scars but is otherwise OK.
P.S. The dog was a large PitBull
P.S. The dog was a large PitBull
I run with a weapon too, couldn't imagine carrying it on my person. His name is chewbaka, a 95 pound white German Shepherd. We faced a very similar situation several months ago. Needless to say the outcome was not good for the attacker. It was a black mutt, like the one described in the story but maybe 60+lbs. My canine weapon performed admirably but unfortunately killed the other dog. The law was called by the owner but they explained to him that he was at fault and if he wished to pursue the incident further HE would be facing charges. My friend defended my safety and I thank him daily for that.(sorry to get sappy, but it meant a lot to me)
MPFreeman
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Running, walking, crawling, skipping, mowing grass, whatever. I don't leave my Sacred Lair without a full-size 1911 cocked and locked IWB'd at 3:30 position.
Why would you not run without your gun?
I have a young bride and we have young children. Dogs are a very real threat. And my young'ns are a very soft and slow target. Mom & Dad both will be ready.
Why would you not run without your gun?
I have a young bride and we have young children. Dogs are a very real threat. And my young'ns are a very soft and slow target. Mom & Dad both will be ready.
spacemanspiff
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maybe it prints too much under the spandex?
StuporDave
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Dog might have been bigger than you think. Or maybe I'm just no good at guessing a dog's weight.
I would have bet you that my dog weighed about 50lbs untill I took him to the vet recently. They put him on the scale and he actually weighs 85lbs!
Dave
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Lesson learned, I'd say.
So tonight I went running with my Gov't .380. Indeed it was cocked & locked. Luckily Cujo was nowhere to be seen. I was never too comfortable carrying my .380 C&L because of the lack of grip safety. But it is a series 80, so I'm safe. If anything, yesterday also made me more comfortable with my mini 1911 (I have always been comfortable carrying a full size Gov't C&L).
Covey Rise
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I'm a dog lover, however
I was once in that situation, cept I was riding a bike, and the dog wanted a piece of me, so I got off and kicked him as hard as I could in the neck, he never bothered anyone again. Don't run from dogs, just stand ur gound then if they approach you, take one step foreward then 2 back, if they charge lay em out with your foot, if they jump for you grab them by the neck with your hands and pin them down and make them submit, once they submit let them up and kick hard and walk off. That normally does it.
I was once in that situation, cept I was riding a bike, and the dog wanted a piece of me, so I got off and kicked him as hard as I could in the neck, he never bothered anyone again. Don't run from dogs, just stand ur gound then if they approach you, take one step foreward then 2 back, if they charge lay em out with your foot, if they jump for you grab them by the neck with your hands and pin them down and make them submit, once they submit let them up and kick hard and walk off. That normally does it.
I have owned and loved many dogs, but any dog we ever owned who showed the slightest tendency to bite folks without provocation was reprimanded severely. Never had one bite a person.
Many dogs owned by irresponsible owners have chased me on bicylce rides. One biking buddy popped a dog with a pepper spray, and it went down like it was shot. Other dogs have run in front of my friends' bikes and caused crashes. One dog got hit by a car and smashed dead while chasing us. Just desserts, you might say.
Through all these cycling incidents, I have avoided the dogs by either confrontation (yelling) or flight, as I though would best serve my interests in the situation. No harm, no foul. But I have always said that if one of them ever bites me, he had better kill or disable me, or he will be dead before sundown. And I mean it.
That's just my personal philosophy, and I'll let the chips fall where they may.
Many dogs owned by irresponsible owners have chased me on bicylce rides. One biking buddy popped a dog with a pepper spray, and it went down like it was shot. Other dogs have run in front of my friends' bikes and caused crashes. One dog got hit by a car and smashed dead while chasing us. Just desserts, you might say.
Through all these cycling incidents, I have avoided the dogs by either confrontation (yelling) or flight, as I though would best serve my interests in the situation. No harm, no foul. But I have always said that if one of them ever bites me, he had better kill or disable me, or he will be dead before sundown. And I mean it.
That's just my personal philosophy, and I'll let the chips fall where they may.
Depending on the size of the dog, a .380ACP may not do the job right away unless you hit him multiple times. Of course, a gun in ANY caliber is better than no gun at all.
Having lived in Florida, I need to second the Pepper Spray option since it is legal down there. Remember, why you see as a danger of death or serious bodily injury may not be seen that way by a judge & jury.
My in-laws next door neighbor was arrested on some charge (I think it may have been firing off a gun within the city limits or something like that) when several ducks gathered around him and started attacking him and he shot one or two of them.
The defense that he felt that he was in danger of serious bodily injury didn't fly. Yet seeing these duck which stand knee high ... I could easily see his point if several of them started pecking him (or whatever ducks do).
Therefore, Pepper Spray may be a less complicated solution when dealing with aggressive animals and if the pepper spray doesn't work, then you always have the gun as a back up and a better arguement for using the gun by pointing out that you did all that you could and used the gun as a last resource because the pepper spray had no effect.
Having lived in Florida, I need to second the Pepper Spray option since it is legal down there. Remember, why you see as a danger of death or serious bodily injury may not be seen that way by a judge & jury.
My in-laws next door neighbor was arrested on some charge (I think it may have been firing off a gun within the city limits or something like that) when several ducks gathered around him and started attacking him and he shot one or two of them.
The defense that he felt that he was in danger of serious bodily injury didn't fly. Yet seeing these duck which stand knee high ... I could easily see his point if several of them started pecking him (or whatever ducks do).
Therefore, Pepper Spray may be a less complicated solution when dealing with aggressive animals and if the pepper spray doesn't work, then you always have the gun as a back up and a better arguement for using the gun by pointing out that you did all that you could and used the gun as a last resource because the pepper spray had no effect.
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