Debunking the one shot stop myth

[f4t9r]

You did what you had to do !!

 

[JohnKSa]

"Don't worry, he doesn't bite!" ... A few months later, that same dog attacked the two children of the family that owned it. ...saw the dog locked onto the arm of one of the kids.

This is one example of why I pay zero attention to a dog's owner telling me it won't bite.

 

[P95Carry]

This is one example of why I pay zero attention to a dog's owner telling me it won't bite.

John - partially flippant thought. ''It won't bite".

"Can I have that in writing?" (if time allowed of course).

Something to assist with a countersuit, if bullets have to fly

 

[SMLE]

Putting a bullet through the heart of any animal, human or otherwise, may stop blood flow. But that is NOT what stops life. Stopping the heart does NOT stop life, at least not immediately.

This phenomenon is one reason that some basic CPR courses are now teaching chest compressions only WITHOUT rescue breathing or ventilation. Just keep the blood moving and hope the medics arrive in 8 minutes or less.

If you can make the shot between the shoulders and cut the spine, you'll drop the critter in its tracks.

 

[CAnnoneer]

IMO even a CNS hit is not a guaranteed stop. There are historical precedents where even after horrendous damage, people have survived and functioned, perhaps partly because the human brain is very large and extremely complex, so certain portions can take over other functions. Also, the brain stem is deep inside the skull, so it is less accessible for a bullet hit.

For a single-shot stopper (if there were such a thing), my money would be on a neck hit because of the good chance to cause complete paralysis by spinal damage. No matter how much adrenalin is pumped, if the muscles stop receiving commands, it is instant incapacitation and that is what we are after. In addition, the neck hit has many peripheral benefits:

1) arteries can get severed and bleedout is very fast
2) brain is deprived of blood and starts shutting down
3) copious blood gets into the larynx and floods the lungs causing suffocation
4) the heavy bleeding has great demoralizing effect on the other enemies

 

[AStone]

Good points, Cannoneer. I agree.

Your point about brain damage is indeed relevant: the brain IS exceedingly complex - we're not even close to understanding its function beyond certain basic principles of neuron anatomy & physiology, and some understanding of functional areas.

However, what we do know - largely gained from a systems perspective backed by neural network theory - is that brain function is largely distributed.

Unlike a hard drive on a computer, damage to one part of the brain, even a part that is largely responsible for some major sensory or motor function, does not always destroy that function entirely.

Good points also about the neck.

Of course, I hope all of you are better shots than me if you're going to try to take down a moving critter, human or otherwise, with a neck shot, especially with a pistol.

Nem

PS: Happy Thanksgiving everyone

 

[jdseven1]

They had a program on tv last week where they showed how little stopping power that a handgun had as compared to a rifle or a shotgun with double o buckshot. The shock wave and damage out from the path of the bullet were doubled with a rifle or shotgun.

 

[rock jock]

I learned that basically the only 100% way to immediately stop a dog is to put the barrel inside their mouth and pull the trigger.

I've heard that if you tie a Scooby-Snack onto the muzzle, it will facilitate their coorperation.

 

[Kango]

IMO even a CNS hit is not a guaranteed stop. There are historical precedents where even after horrendous damage, people have survived and functioned, perhaps partly because the human brain is very large and extremely complex, so certain portions can take over other functions. Also, the brain stem is deep inside the skull, so it is less accessible for a bullet hit.

For a single-shot stopper (if there were such a thing), my money would be on a neck hit because of the good chance to cause complete paralysis by spinal damage. No matter how much adrenalin is pumped, if the muscles stop receiving commands, it is instant incapacitation and that is what we are after. In addition, the neck hit has many peripheral benefits:

1) arteries can get severed and bleedout is very fast
2) brain is deprived of blood and starts shutting down
3) copious blood gets into the larynx and floods the lungs causing suffocation
4) the heavy bleeding has great demoralizing effect on the other enemies

I'd still go for a headshot, bigger target area than neck.

 

[Atticus]

"Don't worry, he doesn't bite!" ... A few months later, that same dog attacked the two children of the family that owned it. ...saw the dog locked onto the arm of one of the kids.

Anyone remember the old Pink Panther movies with Peter Sellers?

Clouseau: Does yer dewg bite?
Inn Keeper: No
Clouseau: Nice Doggy (bends down to pet a dachshund - it snarls and bites him)
I thought you said yer dewg did not bite!
Inn Keeper: Zat... iz not my dog!

 

[AF_INT1N0]

patrol.. did what you had to do... go home...feel better.

The dog would not have felt bad over you...


god bless