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the last thing i ever want to do is use my piece in self defence but i will if i need to. with that said would any of you ever shoot a dog if it threatened to harm you and of course i mean more that just barking and haveing a menacing demenor. i do alot of walking and running and i carry when i do both and this has always been a concern for me because i have had to oc a dog before from a bike and it didnt have the effects on the dog that i wanted it to lucky the dogs owner came out and stopped the dog before i had to get phisical with it. my biggest fear is that when/ if this ever happens again and the oc dosnt work and i pull my weapon, a dog unlike a human isnt going to stop at the sight of a gun and me saying stop or ill shoot. so i ask if a dog is coming at you full speed on public property snarling and barking and an attack looks imminent at what point do you defend your self with the gun
 
Self defense is self defense. Dogs can kill people.

If you have to use lethal force make sure to use good judgment. If a vicious dog is attacking I would shoot it if I had no other alternatives.
 
This type of thread tends to get ugly and can go downhill very fast. Remember to keep it THR and no name calling.
I would shoot as soon as I know I can not escape or get others out of the danger area before they got hurt or get in the way of a good shot.
 
The dog doesn't necessarily need to actually attack. I was out with a friend on our motorcycles. A dog rushed us and got wound up in my buddy's front wheel, dumping him on the pavement at about 35 mph.
 
thats the way i feel also i think an attack on my life no matter what life form its from is a justified use of force
 
If you have to use lethal force make sure to use good judgment.

I'm assuming, by the way you wrote the post, jhco, that you're not the kind of guy who would shoot a dog that's rolling over at your feet, on its back with a big grin and its tail wagging. There are people on this board who think that's "aggressive behavior".

That said, a dog that is bred to be an attack dog not only will not back down when you pull out a gun, it will also not back down when it is shot.

Bulldogs, mastiffs, etc. don't respond to pain like we do. There are stories of dogs with their guts ripped out, still hanging onto bulls. It's not appropriate to use a choke chain or slip lead for training on these dogs, because if they get it in their head that there's something they want on the other side of the street, they'll just hang themselves, pulling with their own strength against the choke lead.

And most of these dogs (true Pit Bulls included) were not even bred to be aggressive towards humans. They're just bred to have a one-track mind and not let anything stop them. A dog that really is bred/trained to attack humans is a truly scary animal if it's out of control.

So, there's something really important. If you are dealing with a truly, viciously-aggressive dog, a gun shot that just causes pain will likely not stop the attack. If it does, then the dog probably wasn't much of a threat to begin with. That's why OC doesn't work in this situation.

If you shoot, you have to shoot to stop. Not to discourage. Think grizzly bear tactics, but a smaller animal.

If you haven't seen this video, watch it. These appear to be Belgian Malinois.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3383695521261916155

The Malinois is not even a big dog, and presents a tiny target. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Shepherd_Dog_(Malinois)

From this video, I'd say this. If the dog has this athletic ability and REALLY wants to attack you, you'd better be a damn good shot, and start shooting when it's 20 yards or more from you. And even then, you might as well kiss it goodbye.:)

One more thing. My wife was at the dog park and raised a chuck-it to throw a tennis ball for one of our dogs. A retired police dog, a huge German Shepherd, came over and grabbed her raised arm and wouldn't let go until its owner told it "release". He apologized, and she was unhurt, if a bit shocked. A trained police dog that's under command is both less, and more, of a threat than many other animals. It depends on who's giving the commands.

Also, someone who is having his dog attack you is committing assault with a deadly weapon, at least in most jurisdictions.

Just some thoughts...
 
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well i never had any thought of shooting the dog to cause it pain if it or any other life form from mosquitos, humans and anything in between attacks me and im in fear of my life and i have to shoot it i want it to die
 
Hello, this happened not more than a month ago, a man was walking his Lab when he and his dog were attacked by 2 pit bulls running loose. He tried to hold them off with his umbrella & of course his dog defended itself to the best of it's ability. Someone in the area saw what was happening, called police and an officer arrived on the scene and had to shoot both pit bulls. The man had been bitten as well as his dog. If the police can do it, so should the average joe. If your being attacked you have a right to defend yourself, IMHO. LM.
 
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I would have not problem shooting a dog in self-defense and would have no remorse over it like I would a human life. I would never take a dogs life for the pleasure of it, but if it come down to saving mine I would not hesitate.
Unspellable mentioned dogs rushing a motorcycle. I had a dog, who I later found out was a stray, rush my motorcycle and got in the front wheel with me going 45mhp. I flew threw the air about 20ft before sliding on a tar and gravel road. Had to have sugery on my hand, broke my wrist, and got all cut up. I had much rather someone had shot that dog than go through that.
 
im in fear of my life and i have to shoot it i want it to die

I'm afraid you missed the point.

The point is, you probably have to kill it BEFORE it can get to you. Injuries might not even slow it down.

If it dies 5 minutes later, that doesn't help you. Hence, "grizzly bear tactics."
 
You'd be suprised how much damage a dog commited to a charge will withstand. I saw a pit take 4 rounds of 00 buck before it stopped. The dog was still very much alive when animal control took it away.
 
I'm a bona fide, hard core dog lover. I've shot two dogs in self-defense.

Most "aggressive" dogs are simply defending territory...and 99% of the time, it's bluff. They circle, and feint, and wait for you to determine how the encounter will go. Fight of flight? Facing the dog and shouting "NO!" and "BAD DOG" while backing away slowly is sufficient for those who don't really mean to or want to attack. Do not turn and run.

The ones that are serious rarely circle and strut. They come straight in at full speed...and usually don't make a sound until they're within striking distance...roughly 6 feet or so...and sometimes not until they've actually got their teeth in you.

The most dangerous position that you can be in is on the ground. Stay on your feet at all costs.

Start shooting the dog as soon as you can get a clear shot. If he keeps coming after being hit...keep the gun out in front of you at arm's length. Unless he's trained to avoid weapons, he'll clamp down on the closest thing to him. When he grabs the gun's muzzle...pull the trigger.

For those who feel that a medium-sized dog isn't a real threat, and that you can "handle" him if he attacks...don't kid yourself. A 50-pound dog is twice as strong and three times faster than you think he is...and they've got canines that can reach your carotid, subclavian or femoral artery.

The best non-firearm defense against a dog is a 5-foot stick, about a half-inch in diameter...sharpened to a pencil point...and hardened over a flame.

Same deal as the pistol. Hold it out like a lance and let the dog clamp down on it...and shove it down his throat. Now is not the time to be gentle. Shove it in deep and keep pushing as the dog backs up. If he keeps fighting, yank it hard sideways and break it off so he can't close his mouth. If he can't bite you, he can't hurt you.
 
I shoot feral dogs because it's illegal to shoot the so-and-sos who turn them loose in the countryside.

Same here.

You'd be suprised how much damage a dog commited to a charge will withstand. I saw a pit take 4 rounds of 00 buck before it stopped. The dog was still very much alive when animal control took it away.

copaup, weren't you the one that had to shoot the dog? And then you convinced the PD to issue standard loads (instead of reduced recoil) because of that incident?
 
im afraid you missed the part when i said that i would do my best to KILL the animail and by attack i mean threaten to attack by acting in a way that makes me fear my life but lets just keep it cool and let it be
 
I have shot dogs (both feral and "pets") worrying my sheep and goats. Generally, I can run off an individual or a pair but when they pack a different mentality emerges. I mostly use a .30-30 but have used a .45 Colt in a Model 1873 Uberti clone. The later uses a 200 grain JHP at around 1200 fps at the muzzle.

I then hang the body on the fence along the highway for the owner to find. Mostly they do not say anything. One husband and wife complained. I showed them one of my doe goats that had her hind leg and and shoulder torn off by a German Shepard. They get the idea. The feral dog I bury.

I do not enjoy shooting dogs nor do I shoot coyotes unless they get too close to the herd/flock.
 
im afraid you missed the part when i said that i would do my best to KILL the animail and by attack i mean threaten to attack by acting in a way that makes me fear my life but lets just keep it cool and let it be

This doesn't make any sense. Nor does it follow what I wrote. Maybe you don't understand the difference between "kill" and "drop immediately." There sure is one. "A gun is not a death ray."

Whatever. Good luck.
 
I have a large dog-mouth-shaped scar on my right leg that I received from my neighbor's pit bull like dog, while out running one day. This happened before I carried. I am convinced that the dog bit me in mid air as I ran past their house. The parents weren't home and their 10 year old had let the dog out. After the emergency room visit, and stitches, we went back there with the police to inform them of what happened, and determine if the dog had it's shots. They said the dog was "sweet" and had never hurt anyone before. They still let it loose, and it has threatened others in the neighborhood. I'd shoot it if it ever came near me again.
 
wouldnt hesitate for a second about pulling the trigger, but only if it meant keeping me or my family out of harms way.
 
I hate aggressive dogs. I would not hesitate to shoot a strange dog if I felt I might possibly be harmed by it. I realize they don't have the same fear of black objects people do, but if any dog made me feel like I may end the day in the emergency room I would kill it. I can't afford to go to the hospital unless I absolutely can't avoid it, and being mauled is avoidable sometimes.
 
A note about chemical protection against dogs. Dogs don't have tear ducts like humans and OC, mace, or tear gas have little to no effect on them. They do have very sensitive smell and a spray bottle with some household ammonia will drive them away fast.
 
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