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On Fighting Shotguns....

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Dave McCracken, Apr 12, 2008.

  1. cobra246

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    This is my fighting shotgun. Takes a 1000 round learning curve but hey! Once you got it down it wont leave you hangin! Also cant beat ambidextrous and 14+1 is kinda great. Only problem is its a little heavy and a bit hard to clean.
     
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  2. mcgiiver

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    "Yep. Ya can't go cheap for a decent light and mount."

    Not necessarily true. I have found two flashlights for my shotguns that are very powerful and relatively cheap, The Coast HP-7, focusing light, 360 lumens, and the Coast PX-1, focusing, 310 lumens. About $34 each, Home Depot sometimes has them.
    A barrel mount made by brazing two appropriate sized hose clamps back to back works great. You can easily adjust the light beam to your point of aim. The tail mounted on/off switch is easily accessed using your thumb from the fore end.
     

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  3. strambo

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    How many rounds have you sent downrange with them mounted?
     
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  4. mcgiiver

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    About a dozen rounds. They have a lifetime warranty.
     
  5. goon

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    Wow - I didn't realize that Dave McCracken had originally started this discussion in 2008. Great guy from what I remember and I'm sure he'd have appreciated the debate and learning. I still have the BA/UU/R pin he sent me back when I first discussed shotguns with him.
     
  6. John Joseph

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    The "fighting shotguns" we were issued in the SO and at the academy were short barreled wood stocked Remingtons, Mossbergs, High Standards, Ithacas, Winchesters and Stevens. The Ithacas and some of the Mossbergs had rifle style sights which we were instructed to ignore. Each had subtle differences and we were required to know the differences and to be able to handle them all safely,
    What they did have in common was they all came slick as a hounds tooth---NO "tactical" add-ons to get hung up on the cruiser, household furniture, etc...
    That's how I was taught and since I survived, I'm sticking with it.
     
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  7. John Joseph

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    The one thing all our guns had added on were recoil pads! They were light, quick pointing guns and kicked accordingly. Recoil pads helped.
     
  8. Hookeye

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    Nothing tacticool.
    My 870 turkey gun and an 1100 magnum.
    Old and proven performers (from my usage).
    Kill critters dead. Proly do the same to any badguys.
     
  9. bushmaster1313

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    When someone first said: "Slick as snot on a doorknob,"
    This is what they were thinking of:

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  10. lemaymiami

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    Fine looking poppers... they'll still do the exact job they were designed for.
     
  11. jeepnik

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    Good article in the most recent Surplus Arms mag. It's a look at the Remington model 10 in WW I.
     
  12. Crawdad1

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    Our military always loved the pumps for close quarter combat and bought thousands of them. They really loved the Model 12.

    "The well regarded Winchester Model 12 trench and riot guns were again procured with a total of more than 80,000 guns ordered by the U.S. Government by 1945, more than any other combat shotgun of the time."

    http://olive-drab.com/od_other_firearms_shotgun_m12.php
     
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  13. BKleine

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    Mine...
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  14. Solomonson

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    Not if the shotgun is based on something along the lines of the Saiga 12. The conversion put out by Tromix is the best "fighting shotgun" I have ever run.
     
  15. Blacksmoke

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    I had a Winchester 97 for 37 years and believe it to be the handiest ever. There are surely others but I am not familiar with them. I am partial to the exposed hammer. Never had a mishap but heard they do occur. Thought about a re-make. The modern steel might be nice. Do not know if they are as good as the original.
     
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  16. bushman_john

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    Great thread!
     
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    I just read Mr. McCracken's opening statement written nearly ten years ago. I carried a shotgun for 31+ years. They weren't called "fighting shotguns" or tactical shotguns, or any other fancy name somebody has dreamed up. They were called shotguns or occasionally riot guns.

    In the real world, the perfect defensive shotgun is just what Mr. McCracken described. Simple, reliable, light, familiar to the user, and easy to load on the move. My 870 served me well for the majority of those 31 years, with it's 18" smoothbore barrel and bead front sight only. Now that I'm old and crippled my shotgun is an 870 20 gauge as above loaded with buck and slug.

    I also practice with my shotgun at least once a week, my CCW ( Commander size 1911 ) at least 2 days a week. I might also add that I shoot my flintlocks nearly every day. I may be old and crippled, but I am ready.
     
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  19. Boocoo

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    Need some help on a small military collection I inherited looks like world war 1 & 2. Starting with a couple of 1897 trench guns I need help with. I have bunch of other items also same vintage. For the trenches I have serial number and photos and any experts out and about.

    Thanks in advance. Boocoo
     
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    12 Gauge REMINGTON 870 WM w/ MOSSBERG 870 18" CYL Bbl.​

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    12 Gauge Federal Flite-Control Wad - LE132-1B



    Shaped charge Grenades.​
     
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  21. DesertVet

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    C8A6F872-183D-4D30-BD1C-35CD2327097D.jpeg C8A6F872-183D-4D30-BD1C-35CD2327097D.jpeg Deploying fighting shotgun during the invasion of Iraq 2003.
     
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    CBE9ADE3-6A41-4160-83F5-CCFA78D334E1.jpeg Kept handy for “close encounters” in Iraq 2003 and 2004
     
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  23. DesertVet

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    81006148-71A4-4601-947E-DD49DA18374D.jpeg Still keep a shotty handy as an option at work
     
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  24. mistermills357

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    I had a Remington M-870, which looked a lot like this one, I had to add a magazine tube, but that was easy enough. It had a 20 inch deer slug barrel, and it fired a wide pattern. I had a 40 round bandoleer to go with it. It looked a lot like the picture there, and I kept 00 Buckshot in it. I can say that I was not afraid of anything when I had it.
    And that was my fighting shotgun.
     
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  25. Audie Murphy

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    I bought a C.F.A. MODEL 1878 COACH GUN a while back. Bought it mostly because of the exposed hammers. I named it, The Head Eraser.:uhoh: With practice I have gotten better at reloading. Open both barrels and jerk it back and out goes the spent rounds and then reload. With practice it actually is pretty quick .
     
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