One Battle Rifle, One Bolt Action .308
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For myself, I have gone the FN route: FAL and SPR.
Don
Don
DMK
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M1 Garand and Springfield 1903
I love the sights, history and accuracy.
(I really need to take some pics of my Springfields)
I love the sights, history and accuracy.
(I really need to take some pics of my Springfields)
CoRoMo
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MK14
Shadow Man
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Would these be used together, or just look nice in the cabinet next to eachother?
TexasRifleman
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DMK said:
If they look as great as that Garand you need to start a pic thread to show us.
That's a beautiful rifle.
Wanta B
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FN-FAL metric
1st= Type one upper reciever NO carry handle cut,24"fluted bull threaded phantom brake or supressor,free float forearm with picatinny @ 3,6,9 o'clock(full length @6),front sight block picatinny,lower reciever with picatinny instead off rear sight,heavy duty extended picatinny dust cover,Swan tritium BUISs,stock adaptor for MagPul M-16 PRS,PSG-1 type pistol grip,Custom Leopold(may get changed to nightforce or ?) Dura-Coat Med-light FDE,Inturnals are coated (no lube and sand OK
),Bi-pod,1/2"@200yrds 3-5shots.
2nd=type one reciever NO carry handle cut,16" Medium contuer fluted threaded phantom brake or supressor,shot gas system,quad rail forearm,gas block is picatinny,PARA lower reciever is picatinny,HD picatinny extended dust cover,Swan tritium BUISs,EOTech,NV,fold down compact front pistolgrip,Tele/folder MagPul UBR. GunCoat Med-Light FDE,internals coated(no lube and sand friendly)LLAM, 3/4"@100yrds 3-5 shots. 13=30 rnd mags.
I know they sound complicated but they are not actualy.
With the FAL's gas adjust,tho' not as quick as some of todays weapons,it is more precise AND alows for any ammoe from match to cr*p to be used...single shot supressed fire too.
Bolt gun would be a Kimber or perhaps a new Brownchester/FN U.S.A. box mag fed. Modified to take FAL mags of coarse.
Metric FALs are all over the world and with some well done mods can aproach AK like reliability and have oustanding accuracy.
1st= Type one upper reciever NO carry handle cut,24"fluted bull threaded phantom brake or supressor,free float forearm with picatinny @ 3,6,9 o'clock(full length @6),front sight block picatinny,lower reciever with picatinny instead off rear sight,heavy duty extended picatinny dust cover,Swan tritium BUISs,stock adaptor for MagPul M-16 PRS,PSG-1 type pistol grip,Custom Leopold(may get changed to nightforce or ?) Dura-Coat Med-light FDE,Inturnals are coated (no lube and sand OK
),Bi-pod,1/2"@200yrds 3-5shots.2nd=type one reciever NO carry handle cut,16" Medium contuer fluted threaded phantom brake or supressor,shot gas system,quad rail forearm,gas block is picatinny,PARA lower reciever is picatinny,HD picatinny extended dust cover,Swan tritium BUISs,EOTech,NV,fold down compact front pistolgrip,Tele/folder MagPul UBR. GunCoat Med-Light FDE,internals coated(no lube and sand friendly
)LLAM, 3/4"@100yrds 3-5 shots. 13=30 rnd mags.I know they sound complicated but they are not actualy.
With the FAL's gas adjust,tho' not as quick as some of todays weapons,it is more precise AND alows for any ammoe from match to cr*p to be used...single shot supressed fire too.
Bolt gun would be a Kimber or perhaps a new Brownchester/FN U.S.A. box mag fed. Modified to take FAL mags of coarse
.Metric FALs are all over the world and with some well done mods can aproach AK like reliability and have oustanding accuracy.
steyr PII, and springfield armory SAR 48 Match.
both discontinued, and it is hard to locate people who want to remove them from their gun safes.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1518779
DO NOT buy one of these without extra mags, preferably ten round flavors. both 5X and 10X are scarce and expensive when found. same applies for the scope mount, this is a proprietary mount.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/654_775/products_id/411538643
personally, i wouldn't get one with the aftermarket optic mount as seen on "budsgunshop" photo. just couldn't find an OEM unit for sale.
gunnie
both discontinued, and it is hard to locate people who want to remove them from their gun safes.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1518779
DO NOT buy one of these without extra mags, preferably ten round flavors. both 5X and 10X are scarce and expensive when found. same applies for the scope mount, this is a proprietary mount.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/654_775/products_id/411538643
personally, i wouldn't get one with the aftermarket optic mount as seen on "budsgunshop" photo. just couldn't find an OEM unit for sale.
gunnie
On my present budget, an Ishapore SMLE in 7.62 NATO battle rifle, and an Ishapore SMLE 7.62 NATO bolt-action rifle. Yep, same thing; both bolt-action; both battle rifles. I am not convinced I really need anything autoloading that is bigger than .223/5.56 NATO, except that I want another Garand, which will probably be .30-06. (I owned one before, briefly; hated to have to sell it.) I don't own the SMLE Ishapores yet, but have looked them over, along with other milsurp bolt battle rifles.
I have also seen milsurp Israeli Mausers chambered in 7.62 NATO; a pair of those would work, too.
I do tend to acquire spares of weapons I really like, so these pairs are not fantasies. I have more than one Browning BLR in .308, but they are not battle rifles, and while they are a type of bolt rifle, with a bottom lever that opens the bolt, I believe the OP meant turn-bolt rifles, with handles that are lifted to turn the bolt and open the action.
Yep, same thing; both bolt-action; both battle rifles. I am not convinced I really need anything autoloading that is bigger than .223/5.56 NATO, except that I want another Garand, which will probably be .30-06. (I owned one before, briefly; hated to have to sell it.) I don't own the SMLE Ishapores yet, but have looked them over, along with other milsurp bolt battle rifles.I have also seen milsurp Israeli Mausers chambered in 7.62 NATO; a pair of those would work, too.
I do tend to acquire spares of weapons I really like, so these pairs are not fantasies. I have more than one Browning BLR in .308, but they are not battle rifles, and while they are a type of bolt rifle, with a bottom lever that opens the bolt, I believe the OP meant turn-bolt rifles, with handles that are lifted to turn the bolt and open the action.
P.B.Walsh
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Surgeon 591 in .308
GP .308 AR-10
GP .308 AR-10
dogngun
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Enfield Ishapore 2A1, .308. I managed to find a scope mount for it
and I will be taking the rig to the range shortly.
I also have a 98 Mauser made in '43 and sporterized in the eraly 1960's by a pro. It has been rebarelled to .308 win, has a jeweled bolt bent handle ans an old 4x scope that will be replaced by a 6x fixed scope shortly.
I had a nice FAL - a Century that really worked well, but they just are not accurate enough for me, so I sold it.
I have an old Chinese beater SKS that routinely outshot the FAL, and that's about as auto as I need to get.
mark
and I will be taking the rig to the range shortly.
I also have a 98 Mauser made in '43 and sporterized in the eraly 1960's by a pro. It has been rebarelled to .308 win, has a jeweled bolt bent handle ans an old 4x scope that will be replaced by a 6x fixed scope shortly.
I had a nice FAL - a Century that really worked well, but they just are not accurate enough for me, so I sold it.
I have an old Chinese beater SKS that routinely outshot the FAL, and that's about as auto as I need to get.
mark
db_tanker
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Imbel/Imbel FAL and my lovely 24" 308 Mauser conversion.
I can have fun with the fact all I have to do is squeeze 20 times, OR take my time and be a bit more economical with the Mauser.
I can have fun with the fact all I have to do is squeeze 20 times, OR take my time and be a bit more economical with the Mauser.
D Boone said:
I didn't want to choose just one "battle rifle" so I bought three rifles in .308 to go with my bolt action rifle. I have the following:
SA58 FAL PARA from DSA
M1A Scout from Springfield
P308 (AR10 variant, gas piston) from POF
If I had to pick only one of the three above it'd be the P308 from POF without a doubt. I like options (sights, optics, stocks, triggers, bipods etc) and accuracy (sub MOA out to 300 yards) and the the POF is superior to the FAL and M1A in both areas. That said, I have no intention of parting with the FAL or the M1A and will be adding more of both to my collection as soon as possible.
stubbicatt
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Like my PTR91. Especially with all the neat accessories available for it. It nicely complements the CZ550.
nwilliams
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It's hard to top the M1a as far as semi-auto .308's are concerned.
If I could have any bolt action in .308 I would pick an Accuracy International AW. Of course I can't even come close to being able to afford one
If I could have any bolt action in .308 I would pick an Accuracy International AW. Of course I can't even come close to being able to afford one
Wanta B
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dogngun and 1858---and others.
FALs can easily get the same accuracy as the POFs and M1As,also have the same modularity for the most part. See my post #8. I mod my FALs to get at least MOA and more often than not Sub MOA.
I do agree that without the propper mods they are not quite as accurate as some others tho'. Not hard to fix however.
FALs can easily get the same accuracy as the POFs and M1As,also have the same modularity for the most part. See my post #8. I mod my FALs to get at least MOA and more often than not Sub MOA.
I do agree that without the propper mods they are not quite as accurate as some others tho'.
Not hard to fix however.
DMK
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Thanks TR!
DMK
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Dogngun, what kind of scope mount did you use? I've been looking for one to mount a scope on one of my No.2 Enfields as well.
DMK
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Do you have any mods that fix the vertical stringing that FALs are known to do? I have this problem with mine.
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FN Fal, because Fal's rock!
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I'm partial to AR10 types; M14 types close second.
To supplement a T/C Icon or Sako in .308 - sure, sounds good.
To supplement a T/C Icon or Sako in .308 - sure, sounds good.
Wanta B
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DMK---The most effective is to get a medium contour barrel from a company such as DSA,who are by no means the only one that makes FAL barrels.I have Duoglas,Walther,Shillen and some others.I prefer fluted. Unfortunately,as with virtually all semi-auto military rifles,I have had older M-16s and ARs string like crazy,the barrels are rather thin,have odd cuts and or ridges for accessories,etc. but with todays trend of rails most if not all of that is unnessessary now.Shoot them like a thin barreled boltrifle or a Remington 7600 they do well enough.
Next on the list,tho' it will not keep the same "look" is to replace the hand guard/forearm with a Freefloat type.Again the easiest source in the U.S.A. is DSA,tho' not the only ones.
Third step is to go with a full on Bull barrel with the Freefloat handguard/forearm.
If you realy want to go for it,as with any other rifle,have the barrel treated to the same things one would do for a target rifle.
By the way,nice rifles! I agree with you on the nastalgia of those. I used to have a Korean era '03A3 when I was in my early twenties.Wish I still had it.
Next on the list,tho' it will not keep the same "look" is to replace the hand guard/forearm with a Freefloat type.Again the easiest source in the U.S.A. is DSA,tho' not the only ones.
Third step is to go with a full on Bull barrel with the Freefloat handguard/forearm.
If you realy want to go for it,as with any other rifle,have the barrel treated to the same things one would do for a target rifle.
By the way,nice rifles! I agree with you on the nastalgia of those. I used to have a Korean era '03A3 when I was in my early twenties.Wish I still had it.
PTR 91, fewest moving parts, roller lock is never dirty or unreliable, cheap plentiful mags.
Then I'd go with a savage or a weatherby vanguard sub MOA rifle. So a battle rifle and a precision bolt gun. The bolt would get a 4-16 optic with target turrets.
Then I'd go with a savage or a weatherby vanguard sub MOA rifle. So a battle rifle and a precision bolt gun. The bolt would get a 4-16 optic with target turrets.
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