One bullet for mulies and elk

[ZeroJunk]

Well, I don't know that it is fair to give readers expectations that are unrealistic either. There is no way in physics that one bullet that stays intact will penetrate any better than another of the same weight and velocity that stays intact if the expansion is the same.

I was just trying to figure out how the bullet could have gotten from point A to point B without hitting the fat part of all the vertebrae which is likely what happened.

 

[sage5907]

ZeroJunk, there are other factors that occur in bullet penetration other than the performance of a bullet. For example, I worked on a deer this past season that had a very weak bone structure. I was sawing through the skull with a Black & Decker Navigator saw and the bone was so weak that the saw met little resistance as it made the cut. A similar cut on a buck skull normally makes the saw struggle. This tells me that the rib structure of that same deer was also very weak. Also, if the bullet went through the rectum of the animal it wouldn't have met very much resistance until it reached the rib cage because it would have traveled above the paunch.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Well you'll have to accept pictures sent USPS, I have no clue how to post pics, as this is something Frank is currently trying to teach me,...

Nah, I'm not trying to teach you. You have all the resources you should need to now be able to figure it out. I suspect that you're just not interested in learning how to do it.

 

[H&Hhunter]

Hands down the best powder I've run with that bullet, is RL22. I shoot consistently under an inch groups screaming at 3200 fps with that combination. I've seen more mule deer and elk taken with this load than any other, because that's what I use and also load for family and friends. IMR-7828 is also a winner and will perform very similar to RL22 in this respect.

The hunt that got me hooked on the Hot Core was back in the 80's. I shot a bull with my .270 win. and 130 gr. Hot Core moving along at 3150 fps..


GS

GS,

Help me out here. I was just looking through the Speer manual and they are showing a max load of RL 22 with a 130 gr Hot Cor to be 2970 FPS. What is your secret recipe with RL 22 that is getting you an extra almost 200 FPS?

I am trying to put together an exact load for our experiment, your help is appreciated.

 

[gamestalker]

The loads I ran back then with the 130 gr. Hot Core were IMR-4350, and shortly there after I tried H1000, but it was IMR-4350 I used on that particular hunt. That data came from my Speer #10, and the load was at or above 58.0 grs., I still have that log book and my #10, will dig it out tomorrow. I've since switched to 7828 and RL22 for the most part, as managing pressures is a bit easier done. And although RL22 doesn't push the higher end velocities of 7828 or 4350, it, RL22 has been my go to powder for this application for at least 10 or 15 years.

The load that I referenced at 3200 fps was with RL22 and from a 7mm RM with 145 gr. Hot Cores. I also attain very good velocities with 7828, but I'm always drawn back to RL22 when available.

So if you truly try to duplicate this load, it's IMR-4350, and like I said, I'll get my old log books out and find the exact same charge I was using back then so we can try to maintain similar comparisons. Which brings to mind, has 4350 been reformulated since the 80's? If so, we might have trouble trying to get to 58 grs., I haven't used it in .270 win for quite some time.

Also, and for what it's worth, and to help with the comparison tests, when I stated "up the spine" I was referring to those flat blade like bones that extend off the spinal column, not up the center of the spine where the nerves and fluid is contained, and I think the blades are tougher to penetrate probably.

All I'm asking of you H&H, is to please drop the straight up implied "your lying" approach. There are other less insulting approaches to making a point or debating something, especially when it involves a rather long time member and a moderator. I also don't think this type of conduct has gained either of us any heightened level of respect from others, and it sure doesn't make for a positive THR display to expose others too either. Can we agree to a "Cease Fire"? I don't want to leave THR, I enjoy the people and topics around here, but I don't deserve to be treated like this by a moderator either. And I don't think you would tolerate it from someone else either, it attacks your personal integrity. And the only reason I'm not sending this statement to you as a PM, is I thought it might show others that THR is a place where two members can resolve a disagreement in a respectful manner.

GS

 

[sage5907]

gamestalker, in this world of "political correctness" you may never get your point across. Your long time background in reloading is not appreciated today. I followed the same path that you experienced and learned a lot along the way. I was loading very hot loads back in the 1960's and 1970's and it was not uncommon to load 56 grains of IMR 4350 with a Speer 130 grain HotCor bullet. This was with LC 63 Match cases. The IMR 4350 manufactured by DuPont that we were using then was not the same IMR 4350 that is being sold by Hodgdons today. I don't know what was changed but it is different. The same can be said for Hodgdon's IMR 4831. If I were trying to duplicate that load today I would work up to 54 grains of Reloader 17 and watch the pressure signs. You could probably hit 3200 fps with 55 grains of Reloader 17 but what would be the point? I don't do flattened primers today!

 

[Nature Boy]

I was referring to those flat blade like bones that extend off the spinal column

For what it's worth, the anatomical nomenclature is "pedicle"

I also don't think this type of conduct has gained either of us any heightened level of respect from others, and it sure doesn't make for a positive THR display to expose others too either

I agree with that. It's also a plain violation of the CoC.

 

[Art Eatman]

Enough squabbling.