Open carry, if its legal for you...

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christcorp said:
Personally, if I lived in a place that DIDN'T allow me to conceal carry; but somehow allowed me to OPEN carry (Assuming it's not an age issue); and I felt so frightened that I had to carry OPENLY in public; then I'd be looking for a new place to live. That or else you're too paranoid.

That's one of the most thoughtless things I've read on this site. By that logic, you also should not carry concealed even if you could do so legally. Just move if you're so afraid. You're saying that people open carry only because they're afraid. Come on. With a tiny bit of imagination, surely you can think of more reasons.

I carry as a matter of lifestyle. I cannot carry concealed legally. I would open carry for the same reasons I would carry concealed. If I knew when and where I'd need a gun, then I would never have to carry at all because I would avoid the situations altogether. A self-defense mindset is one in which I'm always ready. Thus, I don't have to get ready.
 
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CRISTCORP (Post #123), your last paragraph pretty well nails it. Unneccessarily scaring other people (who also vote!) with open carry does more harm to our Second Amendment rights than helps.
 
Personally, if I lived in a place that DIDN'T allow me to conceal carry; but somehow allowed me to OPEN carry (Assuming it's not an age issue); and I felt so frightened that I had to carry OPENLY in public; then I'd be looking for a new place to live. That or else you're too paranoid.

Personally, I think you're pretty anti-carry in general with an attitude like that.
 
Personally, I think you're pretty anti-carry in general with an attitude like that.

That's just thought policing, man.
"Stick to the party line, traitor!"

If you can't conceal, then fine, open carry is the only option you've got, like TooTaxed.
 
All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable;

-- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

It is far more tactically sound to be strong and appear weak (CC), than to be strong and appear strong (OC).

If your goal is to kill a man, this is an excellent strategy. Appear the victim so he will commit, then surprise him. I bet you can kill a bunch of muggers this way.

However, my goal isn't to kill a man. It's to avoid the neccessity entirely. Therefore, the tactics of killing a man are not needed. I'll choose to use deterrence and maybe he'll choose easier pickings and mug someone who looks like a better victim.

Then you can kill him.

Just one thing: Since you are now in a gunfight and I am not, how is your way tactically superior?
 
Im interested always have been. However its different. Those who have tried around here have been harassed and sometimes arrested. If you have a 5-10000$ extra then go ahead. As thats what you will have to pay to hire a desent lawyer to prove the police were wrong. Then same time i have a elementry school that is less than 1000 feet away from me. So i have to watch my step here. I imagine if i was retired and had no worries then i would open carry all the time carry information and expect to get harassed and defend my rights weather in a court of law or face to face. Having a family and reading on forums locally what people are going through i cant afford to do it. If there is a open forum meet that can be done legally without any problems i would not mind going to but. to do this on my own at any given time i can not do. not at this time in my life.
 
(they are paper here, not laminated, and you are NOT allowed to laminate them).

You are mistaken, ORO. You are allowed to laminate WA State CPL's. Island County Sheriff's office recommends lamination and tells folks that ACE Hardware does it for $1.
 
Again, I'll state that OCers seem to operate under the presumption that criminals are scared of them.

not necessarily. for some, it's easier to OC than to CC. also there is no factual data other than hearsay to prove that CC or OC is more effective. I happen to think both are perfectly fine.
 
Christcorp, who made you the judge of what is right or wrong when it comes to open carry? Your opinion has no bearing on how I choose to lead my life. If I choose to open carry and you or your mom don't like it or it scares you then stay at home. Anybody who wants to tell me that open carry is wrong better just save their breath. It is legal and it is my right! Tell me it's wrong and you have a fight on your hands. Do what you like but when it comes to my rights...BACK OFF!
 
Except when working on the ranch, or in a similar environment, or out in the woods; I just don't see the need to open carry. I see plenty of need or I should say "Potential" for need, to carry concealed. Now, if for some reason you aren't allowed to carry concealed, but can legally carry openly, then that is a different story. But I am not too familiar with places that allow open carry but don't allow concealed carry. If so, there is something wrong there.

Aran; if you want to disagree with me, then fine. But until you know what you're talking about, you should keep personal opinions and attacks to yourself. You have absolutely no idea what my beliefs are; let alone my past that has earned me the right to have such a belief. So, disagree with what I say, but until you have any idea what you're talking about, keep the personal attacks out of it.

The fact remains that the majority of those who carry openly "In Public", do so to make a "Political Statement". That does absolutely nothing for enhancing 2nd amendment rights or gaining sympathy or support from the general public who may be initially against guns. Many may be polite and not say anything to you. Some may be afraid and simply avoid you. But for many, it's simply a person carrying a weapon who thinks they live in the wild west. And for them; that doesn't comfort them in any way. And those are the people who can and will push for stricter gun laws and the reduction of our rights. To people; truth is 99% perception. Until someone shows, proves, or explains to them the actual truth, they will believe that truth is what they perceive. I live in one of the most pro-gun states in the country. No doubt about it. And yet, there's an appropriate time to openly carry and a time to conceal carry. And there isn't anyone here who is entitled to carry a gun openly that can be denied to carry concealed. We have a large percentage of concealed carry citizens. We also have one of the lowest crime rates in the country. We live based on "Common Sense" laws.

Yes, sometimes some people try too hard to exercise their rights. And in turn, they alienate the populous. That's why certain communities have banned cigarette smoking in all public establishments. Instead of being "Considerate" and asking the person at the table next to you if cigarettes bothered them; they instead got on their high horse about "THEIR RIGHTS". Well, do that enough and you'll get citizens petitioning the city council and mayor to ban cigarette smoking. Same with open carry. People understand that some times people will carry guns openly. It's done quite often here. But you can tell the difference between purposeful carrying and doing it for political reasons. (Exercising their rights). One is totally acceptable. One is looked down upon.
 
not necessarily. for some, it's easier to OC than to CC. also there is no factual data other than hearsay to prove that CC or OC is more effective. I happen to think both are perfectly fine.
Sure, it's more comfortable. Data? How could there be though? What would the parameters be?

Honestly, I think open carry is fine if you approach it from the right angle. However, it seems like too many dudes on here think that putting on a gun and wearing it in the open strikes fear into the hearts of criminals.
Sorry, but it just doesn't.

A lot of bad guys aren't scared of cops, even,
and those guys in uniforms have large support systems and backup out the nose.
An OCer is just one little man all alone in the world with a machine strapped to his belt.
 
Model 1905: I'm not judging anyone. I'm simply stating facts of observation. You just don't happen to like it and therefor are P'd off. You apparently DEMAND that everyone respect your rights. Apparently it's fine that you don't necessarily respect the rights of others. At the very least, you aren't considerate of other people. You never once saw me write anything that said that open carry was wrong. I said I even do it myself. You WANT to read into this because you are trying to justify why you carry openly. That's your thing, not mine. I'm simply stating that the perception it gives; when done to push a political point; it counter productive to the support of the 2nd amendment.
 
I CC and OC. Depends on where I am at and what I am doing. If a person wants to OC then do so. I wish more people would open carry. People would get used to it including law enforcement.

I statement people made about wanting to keep the element of surprise sounds funny to me. I if I was in a store and was OC, I would rather a person that wants to rob the place turn around and go back out the door because of that then me be able to surprise them during the robbery.

OC can prevent things like that.
 
i cant say i would open carry, but it would be nice not to worry whether or not im printing, or my muzzle is hanging out.
 
I just don't want the hassle of OC not to mention in NM you can CC places you can't oc carry to.
 
There are no facts anywhere that show that the majority of people that open carry are doing it to make a statement. The fact that you would even make that statement shows a lack of credibility. I'm going to say this one more time...you don't like open carry don't do it.

Do me and those that do, the courtesy of not trying to judge. And please don't state that your opinions in anyway resemble fact!
 
christcorp said:
People understand that some times people will carry guns openly. It's done quite often here. But you can tell the difference between purposeful carrying and doing it for political reasons. (Exercising their rights). One is totally acceptable. One is looked down upon.

How can you tell the difference between "purposeful" carrying and doing it for political reasons?
 
Where I live it's quite easy. Saturday afternoon, walking into lowes, home depot, The Ranch Stores, etc... it is common for those working outdoors to be open carrying. During hunting season, couple of people coming back from shooting. (Most of our shooting is outside; we don't do much indoor range stuff). Again, this is very common. On the other hand; the person walking down town in slacks and a shirt. Shopping in the Mall. Those are not so much "Purposeful".

Now, if for some reason you aren't allowed to carry concealed and you have to carry openly or not at all; then I guess that's purposeful. It isn't hard to tell the difference. Basically; Concealed Carry is the norm. Open Carry is for convenience. When Open Carry is used for other than convenience (Assuming Concealed is Permitted); then it's not seen too positively on.
 
As far as you aren't 21 and can't carry concealed; how did you survive for 18 years?

To be honest, I don't think I can really appreciate this sort of comment.

If you're so convinced that it's so easily done to make it through all of 18 years without carrying, what makes it so difficult for you to do say another 50...60...70 years without ever having to carry a firearm?

And so, if I was 18 and driving across country (let's say for the sake of argument through states which permit open carry; I've been there and done that) I shouldn't have the right nor need to carry for any sort of protection? Is it that when I reach the magical age of 21 that all the dreadful things in the world come together to assault me but until then I'm fine? I'd love to see how this one plays out.

Doesn't really float my boat.

I'm not looking to turn the nation into a non-virtual form of THR nor is it for some sort of 'look at me!' sort of political billboard (though some may go onto percieve/post that way). It's simply that OC is many a time (and at this time) the only way to carry. And, to be honest, even after getting a CHL I'll probably continue to OC since so far it's been a very positive experience for me and many other people I know in many different aspects. I doubt that any sort of (to put it nicely) 'discouraging' comments and commentary handed out online or in my daily offline interactions is going to really put a damper on things.
 
If you're so convinced that it's so easily done to make it through all of 18 years without carrying, what makes it so difficult for you to do say another 50...60...70 years without ever having to carry a firearm?

most people in the world survive there entire lives with out carrying.

most people in the US do the same thing.
 
Well said christcorp
. . . Most people think it's the government who is trying to take away our rights. That is incorrect. The congress isn't presenting any bills that some group of citizens didn't ask for . . .

Seems like human nature always looks for the easy answer, blaming guns for the school killings and every other killing where a gun is involved. Someone on this forum has the tag - If guns cause crime, matches cause arson.

We need to address the problem _as i see it_ why is the family next door afraid of my gun(s). I wish the NRA would address that issue and spend some of the 2A $ on it.

I think OC causes most people more concern than it does relief.
 
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