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Discussion in 'Legal' started by calaverasslim, Apr 13, 2015.

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  1. elhombreconnonombre

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    IMHO, IF law enforcement hassles folks who that open carry and there are no incidents that show open carrying in a bad light, there will be a push for true constitutional carry in Texas in the next legislative session.
     
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    Can we identify the LEO that allegedly pressured the legislature WRT the amendments?
     
  3. J.E. Walker

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    That would be, according to the "Media", all of them. The most familiar face is the Austin police chief, Acevedo who early after the open carry thing started moving said that his police would stop, detain and card every single person he saw with a visible gun. He was promising harassment because he Did! Not! Like! Things like that happen in Austin. in 1996, the Police Chief or the DA said that they would arrest anybody carrying even if they had a license. This didn't happen but anybody who failed to display his handgun license when asked for ID was in for a long, drawn-out bout with the criminal justice system.
    The current loudmouth police chief complained further about the amendment (that wouldn't have been there if he hadn't shot off his mouth) saying that if he saw somebody with a gun in front of his house he wouldn't be able to ask to see his license, Other police certainly didn't like the amendment either but he is the one that became one of the ugly faces of gun control during the process.
    If the police over-use their authority, there will be civil and criminal and likely legislative remedies brought into play. Otherwise, it is unlikely that most police and police jurisdictions are going to go on a public harassment campaign however much the liberrhoid pols and superannuated, hippy-chick pie wagons would like them too.
     
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    Sooo... let's pick a date in January when we can all meet in Austin for BBQ. :evil:
     
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    Yeah, that's what was pretty well circulated. What I wanna know is who else aligned with him, because I find it hard to believe that he solely had enough sway to cause legislators representing all parts of the state to cave on the amendment...
     
  6. J.E. Walker

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    I have no reason (other that consistent experience ) to challenge Rodney Ellis' assertion that "ALL" police agencies were enraged by the amendment. Probably an exaggeration but not by much. It would be impossible to round up and hate on every police agency that contacted the legislature about the amendment. Police hate being told that they can't do something just as much as citizens hate being told that they can't carry defensive weapons.

    A neat aspect of the final version of H 910
    is that PC 30:06 has been modified to reduce the penalty for walking past an '06 or (07) sign to a class c misdemeanor that doesn't evoke criminal disability. It goes back to a class A if the licensee refuses to leave after being verbally told to do so.

    Of course,not CHL holder would purposefully violate an anti-gun sign but this is a nice thing for anybody who might forget.
     
  7. elhombreconnonombre

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    Now trying to agree to a bbq joint to meet at to celebrate is a real controversy! My vote would be The Salt Lick in Driftwood, sw of Austin, near Camp Ben McCollough, named after the legendary Texas Ranger and CSA general killed at the BAttle of Pea Ridge during the ACW. All you can eat true pit bbq, not smoked bbq.
     
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  8. Deaf Smith

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    So I guess if I want to pack openly in Texas here I'm gonna need a BBQ gun or two.

    Maybe my S&W 629-1 four incher. I use it with stag grips and Tyler T. Keep it in the El Paso 1942 holster and get a strong side one for my stainless Colt Combat Commander.

    Gotta get them engraved soon! Oh the expense!

    But that and a ten gallon hat will mark me as a true TEXICAN. Even the Texas Rangers will be jealous!

    And Deaf Smith is a Texican, born and raised here.

    Deaf
     
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    It will be interesting to see how many places suddenly get 30:06 signs and i guess if nothing else this will give the Wally Walk a new spin come January.

    Always wanted a gator skin holster.
     
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    Congrats to all you Texans!!! Way to hang in there! Hopefully you can soon regain Austin!
     
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    Any excuse to hit the lick, I'm in.
     
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    Yeah, trying to pick a BBQ place in that area would probably raise more debate and disagreement than Huffines amendment did.

    Salt Lick is great, but I was thinking of somplace in Austin proper, like Franklin's -- maybe have them cater a party in front of Acevedo's house.
     
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    Franklins would be alright, because we'd all have to stand out there for 7 hours before we got to eat anyway. furthering the activism :)
     
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    I am going to have to nominate Mann's BBQ it is just off 183 on Research and excellent Brisket too! that's my suggestion. Will have to schedule a road trip but that BBQ is worth the drive.
     
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    Manns is not good.... LOL and extra expensive.
     
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    And then there is Opie's or It's All Good in Spicewood if we get out of Austin.
     
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    the good places in austin are:

    LA barbecue, Jmueller, stiles switch (not as consistent)

    Rudys extramoist can be very good.
     
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    Thank G-d I'm moving to TX! I wonder if there will be a flood of new 30.06 signs, or if people will just ignore it and move on.

    I was thinking about a Sneaky Pete holster. They aren't really that discreet, are they? It looks more like a sort of hybrid open carry. Now to decide what to choose for every day carry.

    Moving to TX from NJ feels like going from trying to watch a movie on your phone to having stadium seating with dinner and drinks served at the table, and 3D. Maybe 4D!
     
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    When you hit the border make sure you scream at the top of your lungs, F-R-E-E-D-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In your best Mel Gibson impersonation (war paint optional!).
     
  21. txblackout

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    Just keep in mind our gun laws are not great, just pretty good. Getting the CHL can take a few months. Carry starts in Jan and police in the cities will probably harass you and people will probably call the police on you.
     
  22. J.E. Walker

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    and when the police don't seem all that interesting, they'll make up something to get their attention. There are many crazy people and they have an open license to do harm. One local woman, a medicated schizophrenic, here in waco, saw a motor cycle rider a couple of days after the meeting at twin oaks. She wanted to "DIAL! 9!!! and Report Him! He co-dependent husband quelled that notion.
     
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    It would be evil if we got a wave of new legit signs. After the open carry stink - some new legit signs went up. The stores didn't go out of business or care about the complaints.

    The attempt to lower the penalty for carry in the NPEs didn't make it, IIRC?
     
  24. txblackout

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    Im sure the unintended consequence of open carry will be more 30.06 signs.
     
  25. J.E. Walker

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    When the CHL passed, a lot of 30:06 signs went up. The anti-gun pudge-muffins were telling the store ownere that they were liable for the actions of anybody carrying guns on their premises. Customers complained.Customers went away. The Signs came down. Now the only places that post them are Planned Parenthood and some out-of-state concers like Time warner that are more interested in culture war than business.
    I do not know what an NPEs might be but
    Pae 32 of the enrolled text of hb190 (MSW) amends PC 30-06 reducing the penalty for violating the sign to a class c misdemeanor
    (B)**a sign posted on the property that:
    (i)**includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
    (ii)**appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
    (iii)**is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public at each entrance to the property.
    (d)**An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $200, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that, after entering the property, the license holder waspersonally given the notice by oral communication described by Subsection (b) and subsequently failed to depart.
     
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