I have a P365, M17, 226 Legion and X5 Legion. They are all outstanding guns. The X5 Legion is one of those “If you could only keep three guns in your collection” guns. I was genuinely surprised at how good the M17 is. Everyone should own a 226. It’s a legend. And the P365 goes with me everywhere.
Opinion of Sig Sauer Pistols
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.455_Hunter
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Sig P2XX series = Outstanding and I own several variants.
Sig P3XX series = I refuse to own any of them. Worthless unsafe junk.
Sig P3XX series = I refuse to own any of them. Worthless unsafe junk.
Riomouse911
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I love SIG Sauer pistols 
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My old West German P-226 9mm was one of the best shooting and most reliable guns I’ve ever shot. I did trade it away for something else when I caught the H&K USP .45 bug… this is a trade I kinda regret to this day.
I do have a West German P-228 still in the safe. It is another great gun that I won’t be getting rid of anytime soon.
My only other “SIG” is a Mosquito .22. Not a SIG in make (Umarex I think?) but it does look like a SIG and feel good in my hands like SIG pistols do. Mine is very reliable, something that many other Mosquitoes weren’t.
I’ve shot other models, the guns have always been accurate and comfy in my mitts.
Gods guns, you can’t go wrong with one
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Stay safe.
. My old West German P-226 9mm was one of the best shooting and most reliable guns I’ve ever shot. I did trade it away for something else when I caught the H&K USP .45 bug… this is a trade I kinda regret to this day.
I do have a West German P-228 still in the safe. It is another great gun that I won’t be getting rid of anytime soon.
My only other “SIG” is a Mosquito .22. Not a SIG in make (Umarex I think?) but it does look like a SIG and feel good in my hands like SIG pistols do. Mine is very reliable, something that many other Mosquitoes weren’t.
I’ve shot other models, the guns have always been accurate and comfy in my mitts.
Gods guns, you can’t go wrong with one
. Stay safe.
JR24
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I like the alloy and hammer guns, particularly the Legion line.
Not a fan of the plastic striker options. Fine, just not my preference.
Not a fan of the plastic striker options. Fine, just not my preference.
gryphon1911
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I used to carry a Commander 1911 for years until I got the Sig P365. 10 round magazines with extended base plate and 15 round magazine make holding it pleasing. I now daily carry the P365 IWB or shoulder holster. Worked great right out of the box, reliable and a lot more controllable than you'd think a pistol that small would be.
I've always wanted a Sig P226 and was lucky enough to get a police trade in -.40S&W. Have yet to get to the range with it, but dry firing with snap caps has been a pleasure.
I've always wanted a Sig P226 and was lucky enough to get a police trade in -.40S&W. Have yet to get to the range with it, but dry firing with snap caps has been a pleasure.
Howland937
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I currently own 4, but the only one with a P prefix is the P238. The others are 1911's. I'd pick up more of them if I ran across the ones on my wish list. I've had zero problems with any of them.
I had a 1993 vintage, #'s matching P228 made in Germany (not West German). It was a great shooting, incredibly reliable gun. Sold it to a good friend because...well, because he asked me to, I guess. If I wanted it back bad enough he'd sell it back to me though.
I had a 1993 vintage, #'s matching P228 made in Germany (not West German). It was a great shooting, incredibly reliable gun. Sold it to a good friend because...well, because he asked me to, I guess. If I wanted it back bad enough he'd sell it back to me though.
Sorry, but that’s simply not the case. Sig has sold millions of P365s and P320s and other than a suspect lawsuit which Sig responded to by offering free upgrades to any and all P320 owners, and some very early teething problems with the P365s, they have shown themselves to be exemplary.
.455_Hunter
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You can post your opinion, I will post mine. As a degreed mechanical engineer, former Active Duty Army Officer who carried a sidearm, current professional risk management coordinator, and 30+ year defensive handgun shooter, I view them as worthless unsafe junk.
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I purchased a SIG 220 in 45 ACP
It has gone bang with all the ammunition I stuffed into it. This one, I think the slide is blackened stainless steel, and the slide is milled. The one problem I had is the pistol shoots way low with a 6 OC hold. SIG customer service is a bunch of pompous asses, and told me that their sights are adjusted for center hold, the dot being the point of aim and impact. Since I can't see what I am aiming at when I cover it up with the front sight, I don't use that sight picture. And I resented them telling me that real experts use center hold. SIG was going to charge me $200 if I sent the pistol back, and they decided the sights were on. So, the heck with them, I spent that money buying adjustable sights which cost about as much as their service charge. I would have preferred having fixed sights that shot to point of aim, but, SIG parts are way over priced.
I talked to a Kimber employee at one National Match, he had also worked for SIG I think. I asked him if the milled slide was an improvement, and he said yes. The stamped slide, the breech block is pinned into the slide, and those breech blocks come loose. Making that slide from one machined part eliminated that sort of a failure. However, there is a Cult of the stamped SIG P220, which you can see at SIGTALK, and calling their Teutonic baby ugly is a sure way to get an atomic wedgie!
Now as a self defense pistol, I prefer the SIG configuration over the "cocked and locked" and striker fired.
For the 1911, the grip and thumb safeties are sear blocking safeties. These safeties do not, and were not intended to positively block the hammer, they are sear blocking safeties only.
John Browning knew that, and addressed the problem of sear breakage causing the firearm to discharge in this 1913 patent
John Browning Patent 1,070,582
Firearm
Patented Aug 19, 1913
Heretofore pistols of this class were provided with automatic safety devices which made it impossible to fire one or several shots unless a cartridge was in the barrel, a charged magazine in the grip and all parts in the proper closed and locked condition, the hammer cocked and the grips properly grasped to hold to the pistol in the firing position. If, with the pistol thus made ready for instant use, the occasion for firing or for continued firing had passed, and it was desired to make the pistol temporarily safe for carrying, it was necessary to lower the hammer to the safety position, and special means were provided for enabling the lowering of the hammer to be performed, if necessary, by the use of only the hand holding the pistol. Experience however, has shown that the exigencies of active military service make it at times necessary that the pistol be carried for a longer or shorter time with a loaded cartridge in the barrel, a charged magazine in its seat and the with the hammer cocked, so as to still remain ready for instantly firing a maximum number of shots without requiring any initial movement, except the pulling of the trigger. At the same time, it is as necessary that the pistol can be made safe to positively prevent its accidental discharge while being so carried. For fulfilling, as nearly as possible, these necessary but contradictory requirements, and additional manually operated combined slide-lock and hammer-lock of novel construction and with additional functions has been provided on the pistol, which services to at will lock the breech-slide and firing mechanism and make the pistol positively safe against discharge though a cartridge is in the chamber and the hammer is cocked, or to at will release these parts and make the pistol ready for firing; with this added device the locking or releasing of the slide and of the hammer require only a slight pressure by the thumb of the hand grasping the grip of the pistol, without demanding such attention, care and exertion as are required for cocking the hammer or for releasing and lowering the same.
A recess is provided in the hum of the hammer into which a portion of the stud k enters when in the raised position, see Fig.4, thereby the hammer is locked independently of its support by the sear, so that even under violent blows against the expose part of the hammer, which might break the point of the sear, the hammer cannot move.
Incidentally, the safety position to John Browning was the half cock. The Army had decided before this patent to carry the 1911 with a round in the chamber, hammer down, pistol in the flap holster. So the Army did not buy or incorporate this patent into the design of their 1911's. And that Army1911 configuration is what is called today, the series 70 1911. The series 80 is the abortion that Colt crapped out after kludging up the design.
Anyway, I don't want to carry a loaded and cocked pistol which will discharge, and has discharged, when the hammer is struck with enough force to break the sear surfaces, or the sear breaks without any external blow. I talked to a Master Class Bullseye shooter about this, and he said "Remember Frank?" Well I had shot at Frank's Bullseye Pistol match, but I really don't remember Frank. Frank was shooing 2700, and during the timed or rapid fire stage, inserted his five round magazine, chambered the round on the load command, and the sear in his pistol broke. His 1911 fired all five rounds automatically and Frank was lucky he did not have six rounds in the magazine, as the fifth round put a hole in the brim of his hat! A sixth round would have gone through his forehead.
I also don't trust striker fired pistols, as the striker is pulled back under spring tension, and if the firing slips off the sear, the pistol will fire.
The SIG P320 will fire, has fired, when dropped on the back of the slide
Been lawsuits about the SIG P320. Sometimes the SIG P320 goes bang in the holster. I wonder if it the sear slipping off when the frame gets distorted. I am sure there are those who know.
Sig Sauer P320 pistol mishaps reported 2-18-2020
https://www.southwestledger.news/news/sig-sauer-p320-pistol-mishaps-reported
New England gunmaker faces another lawsuit from police officer, ABC News report
https://www.wcvb.com/article/sig-sa...maker-another-lawsuit-texas-officer/37388774#
Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol
https://www.military.com/daily-news...t-over-alleged-safety-glitch-p320-pistol.html
Sig Sauer Faces $10 Million Lawsuit over P320 Pistol After Alleged Accidental Discharge Wounds Federal Agent
https://www.military.com/daily-news...fter-alleged-accidental-discharge-wounds.html
I find it interesting, so many people carry striker fired pistols, with a round in the chamber, that they don't consider carrying cocked and locked dangerous. Well, I consider both nuts and dangerous. Which is why I like the SIG P220 mode of a round in the chamber, and first shot a long, heavy trigger pull, like my beloved double action revolvers.
This is an early version of the SIG P220 operating system
and this was a later.
a thumb decocker, no flipper or levers to play with or forget.
It has gone bang with all the ammunition I stuffed into it. This one, I think the slide is blackened stainless steel, and the slide is milled. The one problem I had is the pistol shoots way low with a 6 OC hold. SIG customer service is a bunch of pompous asses, and told me that their sights are adjusted for center hold, the dot being the point of aim and impact. Since I can't see what I am aiming at when I cover it up with the front sight, I don't use that sight picture. And I resented them telling me that real experts use center hold. SIG was going to charge me $200 if I sent the pistol back, and they decided the sights were on. So, the heck with them, I spent that money buying adjustable sights which cost about as much as their service charge. I would have preferred having fixed sights that shot to point of aim, but, SIG parts are way over priced.
I talked to a Kimber employee at one National Match, he had also worked for SIG I think. I asked him if the milled slide was an improvement, and he said yes. The stamped slide, the breech block is pinned into the slide, and those breech blocks come loose. Making that slide from one machined part eliminated that sort of a failure. However, there is a Cult of the stamped SIG P220, which you can see at SIGTALK, and calling their Teutonic baby ugly is a sure way to get an atomic wedgie!
Now as a self defense pistol, I prefer the SIG configuration over the "cocked and locked" and striker fired.
For the 1911, the grip and thumb safeties are sear blocking safeties. These safeties do not, and were not intended to positively block the hammer, they are sear blocking safeties only.
John Browning knew that, and addressed the problem of sear breakage causing the firearm to discharge in this 1913 patent
John Browning Patent 1,070,582
Firearm
Patented Aug 19, 1913
Heretofore pistols of this class were provided with automatic safety devices which made it impossible to fire one or several shots unless a cartridge was in the barrel, a charged magazine in the grip and all parts in the proper closed and locked condition, the hammer cocked and the grips properly grasped to hold to the pistol in the firing position. If, with the pistol thus made ready for instant use, the occasion for firing or for continued firing had passed, and it was desired to make the pistol temporarily safe for carrying, it was necessary to lower the hammer to the safety position, and special means were provided for enabling the lowering of the hammer to be performed, if necessary, by the use of only the hand holding the pistol. Experience however, has shown that the exigencies of active military service make it at times necessary that the pistol be carried for a longer or shorter time with a loaded cartridge in the barrel, a charged magazine in its seat and the with the hammer cocked, so as to still remain ready for instantly firing a maximum number of shots without requiring any initial movement, except the pulling of the trigger. At the same time, it is as necessary that the pistol can be made safe to positively prevent its accidental discharge while being so carried. For fulfilling, as nearly as possible, these necessary but contradictory requirements, and additional manually operated combined slide-lock and hammer-lock of novel construction and with additional functions has been provided on the pistol, which services to at will lock the breech-slide and firing mechanism and make the pistol positively safe against discharge though a cartridge is in the chamber and the hammer is cocked, or to at will release these parts and make the pistol ready for firing; with this added device the locking or releasing of the slide and of the hammer require only a slight pressure by the thumb of the hand grasping the grip of the pistol, without demanding such attention, care and exertion as are required for cocking the hammer or for releasing and lowering the same.
A recess is provided in the hum of the hammer into which a portion of the stud k enters when in the raised position, see Fig.4, thereby the hammer is locked independently of its support by the sear, so that even under violent blows against the expose part of the hammer, which might break the point of the sear, the hammer cannot move.
Incidentally, the safety position to John Browning was the half cock. The Army had decided before this patent to carry the 1911 with a round in the chamber, hammer down, pistol in the flap holster. So the Army did not buy or incorporate this patent into the design of their 1911's. And that Army1911 configuration is what is called today, the series 70 1911. The series 80 is the abortion that Colt crapped out after kludging up the design.
Anyway, I don't want to carry a loaded and cocked pistol which will discharge, and has discharged, when the hammer is struck with enough force to break the sear surfaces, or the sear breaks without any external blow. I talked to a Master Class Bullseye shooter about this, and he said "Remember Frank?" Well I had shot at Frank's Bullseye Pistol match, but I really don't remember Frank. Frank was shooing 2700, and during the timed or rapid fire stage, inserted his five round magazine, chambered the round on the load command, and the sear in his pistol broke. His 1911 fired all five rounds automatically and Frank was lucky he did not have six rounds in the magazine, as the fifth round put a hole in the brim of his hat! A sixth round would have gone through his forehead.
I also don't trust striker fired pistols, as the striker is pulled back under spring tension, and if the firing slips off the sear, the pistol will fire.
The SIG P320 will fire, has fired, when dropped on the back of the slide
Been lawsuits about the SIG P320. Sometimes the SIG P320 goes bang in the holster. I wonder if it the sear slipping off when the frame gets distorted. I am sure there are those who know.
Sig Sauer P320 pistol mishaps reported 2-18-2020
https://www.southwestledger.news/news/sig-sauer-p320-pistol-mishaps-reported
New England gunmaker faces another lawsuit from police officer, ABC News report
https://www.wcvb.com/article/sig-sa...maker-another-lawsuit-texas-officer/37388774#
Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol
https://www.military.com/daily-news...t-over-alleged-safety-glitch-p320-pistol.html
Sig Sauer Faces $10 Million Lawsuit over P320 Pistol After Alleged Accidental Discharge Wounds Federal Agent
https://www.military.com/daily-news...fter-alleged-accidental-discharge-wounds.html
I find it interesting, so many people carry striker fired pistols, with a round in the chamber, that they don't consider carrying cocked and locked dangerous. Well, I consider both nuts and dangerous. Which is why I like the SIG P220 mode of a round in the chamber, and first shot a long, heavy trigger pull, like my beloved double action revolvers.
This is an early version of the SIG P220 operating system
and this was a later.
a thumb decocker, no flipper or levers to play with or forget.
WheelGunMan
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I have a P365XL that has put +500 rounds downrange without any hiccups. It's been reliable and accurate.
sequins
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I've owned a p226, currently own a p320, and have shot a p229 and p239 that I immediately recall.
I think the P2XX series is a lot of fun to shoot but a bit old fashioned. The P3XX are range only due to the safety concerns but my p320 does have extremely light, easy to pull, and quick to break trigger. It almost goes off by itself.
I think the P2XX series is a lot of fun to shoot but a bit old fashioned. The P3XX are range only due to the safety concerns but my p320 does have extremely light, easy to pull, and quick to break trigger. It almost goes off by itself.
entropy
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They are very well made guns that I can't shoot well to save my life. Needless to say I own none. Every SIG I've shot shoots about 6" low for me. Don't know if it's the grip angle, trigger, or sight height, but every one shoots low for me.
Ironically, I do shoot Glocks very well, and don't own any of those either.
Ironically, I do shoot Glocks very well, and don't own any of those either.
Old Dog
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SIG sights are regulated from the factory for a sight picture where the front sight covers the point of aim -- if you're using a conventional 6-o'clock hold, you will be shooting 4" - 6" low. With SIG pistols, unless you've altered/customized your sights, the rule is, "Drive the dot." Sight Image 3 applies.
I bought an early production P238 back in 2009 and it had a bunch of growing pains until Sig replaced the round wire recoil spring with a flat wire spring. It soured me a bit on Sig pistols, or maybe just Sig, for a while. But the P238 works well now.
I now have two of their 1911 pistols, one chambered in 40 S&W and the other 357 SIG. Both run flawlessly.
I have enough 9mm pistols that Sig does not have any advantages over what I have.
I now have two of their 1911 pistols, one chambered in 40 S&W and the other 357 SIG. Both run flawlessly.
I have enough 9mm pistols that Sig does not have any advantages over what I have.
entropy
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Which is exactly why I don't have any SIGs. I'm not changing the POA I've used for 50 years just because SIG thinks I need to cover up my target. I'd end up taking the sights off completely like I did to my PT145. I don't mind that as much with the PT145, because the Taurus costs about half what the SIGs cost, and doing so actually helped with holster clearance. (There aren't a whole lot of holsters made for PT145's, but ironically, they fit holsters made for SIG P220 series guns perfectly.)
Next time I shoot a SIG, I will try to remember that sight picture.
Old Dog
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It's a learning curve, for sure, and I sometimes struggle with it when I take a few different guns to the range. I swapped out the sights on three of the SIGs I carry the most (a W. German 228, a Legion 229 and an M11).
As an aside, I had one of the original PT-145s (pre-Millenium Pro) and it was a friggin' excellent pistol (very underrated, in my opinion). Kinda long, "sproingy" trigger but a great shooter, accurate and 100% reliable. 10 rounds of .45 in a compact package with a thumb safety. Wish I'd kept it, but I traded it off for something I no longer own.
toivo
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I'm a big SIG fan. I got the fever when I took a few defensive handgun classes with my Glock 26. In some of the drills we exchanged guns with other students, and that's all it took for me to get sold on the SIGs. Here's the current roster:
- P239
- P238 (.380 ACP)
- P232SL (.380 ACP)
- P225-A1
- P320 Subcompact
- P320 X-Carry
- P320 AXG
- P365
- P250-22 (.22 LR)
Old Dog
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^^ Yeah, in spite of the naysayers, I own several of the new, striker-fired polymer-frame P-3xx series pistols. Guess what? They have splendid triggers, are accurate, reliable, durable, ergonomic and don't "go off" by themselves.
sigarms228
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Personally I love the classic P series SIGs and the SP2022.
A wonderful testimony to the awesome P226. P226 info starts at about 5:20.
A wonderful testimony to the awesome P226. P226 info starts at about 5:20.
I'm confuse by Point of Aim comments, because wouldn't that depend on the ammo being used? I've noted a big difference of Point of Impact between 115gr and 147gr factory ammo. So I never depend on the factory setting of the sights. I put, if they didn't already come with, adjustable sights on all my guns. (yeah, yeah, if possible )
BUT all that said, count me in on being a SIG fan boy. Have 2 P320s that I use for competition and a P365 for EDC. Will get a second 365 soon so I have both a 3" and 3.9" versions as well as a w/ safety and w/o FCU. If per chance I ever replace my 1911 I'll probably look to SIG for a 45 single stack.
BUT all that said, count me in on being a SIG fan boy. Have 2 P320s that I use for competition and a P365 for EDC. Will get a second 365 soon so I have both a 3" and 3.9" versions as well as a w/ safety and w/o FCU. If per chance I ever replace my 1911 I'll probably look to SIG for a 45 single stack.
bannockburn
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I had a P226. It was a pretty decent pistol; reliable, accurate, and a lot more ergonomic for my hand than a comparable Beretta Model 92. Before that I had a Browning BDA (aka SIG P220), in .45 ACP; it too was very reliable and very accurate, especially for a gun with fixed sights.
When I was looking for a new home defense gun I came across like a LNIB P229R in 9mm. that also had 3 magazines, the SRT, night sights, and the E2 grips. Really liked the feel of the grips, the short reset of the trigger, and that it had a rail for a light/laser.
Overall I have been very pleased by the performance of all of my SIG pistols (I also have a P238 and a Trailside).
When I was looking for a new home defense gun I came across like a LNIB P229R in 9mm. that also had 3 magazines, the SRT, night sights, and the E2 grips. Really liked the feel of the grips, the short reset of the trigger, and that it had a rail for a light/laser.
Overall I have been very pleased by the performance of all of my SIG pistols (I also have a P238 and a Trailside).
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Sigs are good. My preference? I like the P225, P220, P232 and the P320. With the "Legacy" line I prefer them with the E2 grip (some folks hate them), and never with the big rubbery hogue/pach style aftermarket grips. I have tiny hands and these don't do too well for me.
I like the medium frame size P320. They shoot well and handle well too.
I like the medium frame size P320. They shoot well and handle well too.
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doubleh
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I consider them to be like Apple, Nike, Under Armor, etc. They do the job they are designed for but you pay more for the name on the product. In other words, overpriced. Still, I own one Sig and liked it enough better than it's competitors to pay it's price.
Rock185
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I've been using SIGs since the '80s,carried SIGs for several years, became a SIG armorer, etc. My opinion of the traditional SIGs is very positive. I have no experience with the polymer and 1911 type SIGs.
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EMC45
I'm pretty much the same way; the grip frame of he P226, while manageable, was still a bit of reach mainly because of my small hands. The E2 grips made the gun feel much more ergonomic and was one of the reasons I bought it (that and I got a great deal on it)!
I'm pretty much the same way; the grip frame of he P226, while manageable, was still a bit of reach mainly because of my small hands. The E2 grips made the gun feel much more ergonomic and was one of the reasons I bought it (that and I got a great deal on it)!
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