chuckusaret
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XD but I would get it in 40 caliber and of course sub compact
Opinions Welcome on a Sub-Compact 9mm
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benderx4
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HK P7M8
Best and safest compact 9mm anywhere!
Best and safest compact 9mm anywhere!
Thomas Garrett
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Kahr MK-9, I just like all steel. My .02 cents worth
KBintheSLC
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Way wrong on the accuracy. My G26 is as accurate as any full-sized model. Whoever you heard that from likely has poor form. IMO
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Ala Dan
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For a "MINI" size autoloader, I prefer the KEL-TEC P3AT .380; but suppose
I want to step up too a 9m/m, then I tend to favor the Kahr CW-9~! Both,
make great CCW pieces~!
I want to step up too a 9m/m, then I tend to favor the Kahr CW-9~! Both,
make great CCW pieces~!
Davionmaximus
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HoosierQ
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Smith and Wesson Military and Police 9c. Ergonomic, priced right, great warranty.
Never had a failure. Wish I had the new thumb safety model though.
Never had a failure. Wish I had the new thumb safety model though.
Quack
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Springfield EMP
had a G26 and it worked well. tastes have changed towards 1911s.
had a XD9 sub. and it was a little to blocky for my tastes. preferred the G26 over it.
had a CW9. didn't like the crappy trigger, but liked the size.
had a G26 and it worked well. tastes have changed towards 1911s.
had a XD9 sub. and it was a little to blocky for my tastes. preferred the G26 over it.
had a CW9. didn't like the crappy trigger, but liked the size.
Cant go wrong with the XD.
I also second/third the addition on the M&P to your possibilities.
Kahr's are great too, if a little pricier. But they helped themselves out in that column with the CW line.
Heard lots of good things about Kel-Tecs, lots of bad too though. I have no experience.
Got a friend who loves his Beretta PX4SC.
Seems strange to have 2 .380's in a post titled "Opinions Welcome on a Sub-Compact 9mm"
I also second/third the addition on the M&P to your possibilities.
Kahr's are great too, if a little pricier. But they helped themselves out in that column with the CW line.
Heard lots of good things about Kel-Tecs, lots of bad too though. I have no experience.
Got a friend who loves his Beretta PX4SC.
Seems strange to have 2 .380's in a post titled "Opinions Welcome on a Sub-Compact 9mm"
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Duramaximum
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"Seems strange to have 2 .380's in a post titled "Opinions Welcome on a Sub-Compact 9mm""
I just said 9mm, I didn't specify Luger or Kurz. I was wondering if anyone would catch it though.
I just said 9mm, I didn't specify Luger or Kurz. I was wondering if anyone would catch it though.
Wow, glad to see so many PM9 fans. Definitely my vote (although I voted for PPS in the poll because of its comparable size).
I sense you might find this clip to be quite eye-opening!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCJ3Oz5JVKs
I sense you might find this clip to be quite eye-opening!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCJ3Oz5JVKs
I voted Glock 26 because it's what I have and the only one from the list I have shot. Glocks are accurate by the way. I'm not a big fan of the stock sights but accuracy is not a problem.
I just want to point out that the .380s are in a league of their own when it comes to compactness. A .380 or .38 sp is a true pocket gun, small enough to fit in almost all normal sized jean pockets. The 9mm subs are considerably larger and are best suited for IWB carry. Although if you make it a point to only buy pants with really big pockets I suppose it could work for you.
S&W M&P9Cs are also really great. It is my wife's favorite gun. To me though the Glock 19 is the supreme CC gun.
Mr. Alloy, that clip is hilarious! Wow.
I just want to point out that the .380s are in a league of their own when it comes to compactness. A .380 or .38 sp is a true pocket gun, small enough to fit in almost all normal sized jean pockets. The 9mm subs are considerably larger and are best suited for IWB carry. Although if you make it a point to only buy pants with really big pockets I suppose it could work for you.
S&W M&P9Cs are also really great. It is my wife's favorite gun. To me though the Glock 19 is the supreme CC gun.
Mr. Alloy, that clip is hilarious! Wow.
MICHAEL T
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other Colt Agent or Defender Why a 9 when can have a 45 is same basic package
chuckusaret
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I suggest you go to the gun store, pick up and feel every SD gun he has. The one, two or three that feel the best in your hand rent and shoot. I can almost bet that a XD will be your pick in the feel test and the shooting test. I CC a XD40 SC with a NAA380 backup and I also have a S&W M&P 9MM compact and a S&W M&P 40 they are my #2 and # 3 best liked guns. My other guns are just range shooters.
MisterMike
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I've also got the Glock 26 and I don't have any issues with its accuracy--even with my dismal skills I can achieve pretty tight groupings.
However, despite the fact that it's the "Baby Glock," it's not as tiny as Herr Glock would have you believe. It's a fairly noticeable chunk of steel and plastic, particularly if you carry it IWB . . . not huge, but certainly not as compact as, for instance, the Kahr. The short grip is a problem for some, since your pinky ends up under the magazine. Personally, I shot fine with it, but have added Pearce magazine extensions. The don't make me any more accurate, but the grip feels better with the extensions.
On the plus side, when carrying the 26 I feel like I'm carrying a "real" pistol, one that has all the quality and dependability of a full-size Glock. I've put a fair number of rounds through it (certainly more than 1,000), with narry a hiccup. There are a bajillion ways to customize it, and accessories are readily available.
All things considered, it's a really nice gun, though a bit chunkier than some others you have mentioned. That's my only caveat--if you want a really small pistol, you should at least handle the Glock and compare it directly to some of the others to ensure that the size is acceptable to you.
However, despite the fact that it's the "Baby Glock," it's not as tiny as Herr Glock would have you believe. It's a fairly noticeable chunk of steel and plastic, particularly if you carry it IWB . . . not huge, but certainly not as compact as, for instance, the Kahr. The short grip is a problem for some, since your pinky ends up under the magazine. Personally, I shot fine with it, but have added Pearce magazine extensions. The don't make me any more accurate, but the grip feels better with the extensions.
On the plus side, when carrying the 26 I feel like I'm carrying a "real" pistol, one that has all the quality and dependability of a full-size Glock. I've put a fair number of rounds through it (certainly more than 1,000), with narry a hiccup. There are a bajillion ways to customize it, and accessories are readily available.
All things considered, it's a really nice gun, though a bit chunkier than some others you have mentioned. That's my only caveat--if you want a really small pistol, you should at least handle the Glock and compare it directly to some of the others to ensure that the size is acceptable to you.
I'd be another one recommending the M&P9c if I had to stick only with 9mm 'subcompact' auto. But since you allowed for 'other,' here's my 2 cents.
If a handgun is to be used in anything but a concealment role, then a fullsize pistol works more reliably, has greater ammo capacity, fires the same round at a higher velocity, is more accurate, and recoils less.
If its a handgun for concealed carry, there are a lot of reasons to get your head out of the 'autopistol frame of mind' and get yourself a hammerless snubnose (i.e. 642, 340pd, etc.)
- not perfectly reliable, but much closer to it
- reliability not affected by different loads and ammo types (fmj, jhp, swc, glaser's, dumdum, etc etc.)
- can be fired from within a roomy coat pocket, repeatedly (autopistol may fail to return to battery)
- can be fired when shoved up against something (ribs) repeatedly (autopistol may fail to return to battery)
- highly variable selection of ammo (.38spl, .357mag, different loads and pressures)
- doesn't drop tell-tale brass all over the place. (just sayin')
Of course, the big drawback is capacity. Pick your poison.
If a handgun is to be used in anything but a concealment role, then a fullsize pistol works more reliably, has greater ammo capacity, fires the same round at a higher velocity, is more accurate, and recoils less.
If its a handgun for concealed carry, there are a lot of reasons to get your head out of the 'autopistol frame of mind' and get yourself a hammerless snubnose (i.e. 642, 340pd, etc.)
- not perfectly reliable, but much closer to it
- reliability not affected by different loads and ammo types (fmj, jhp, swc, glaser's, dumdum, etc etc.)
- can be fired from within a roomy coat pocket, repeatedly (autopistol may fail to return to battery)
- can be fired when shoved up against something (ribs) repeatedly (autopistol may fail to return to battery)
- highly variable selection of ammo (.38spl, .357mag, different loads and pressures)
- doesn't drop tell-tale brass all over the place. (just sayin')
Of course, the big drawback is capacity. Pick your poison.
Duramaximum
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I guess I will go a little more indepth on what I'm looking for.
I have a Kimber Custom II in .45acp that I normally carry IWB. I would be buying this pistol for a shoulder holster rig to use when I have light clothing.
I understand the .40 S&W is a better round but I like the universal availability of the 9mm and because the ammo is relatively cheaper for the range.
I would also slightly prefer that it would at least have at least a 10 round capacity.
The reason that I am not considering revolvers is that I have found I can't shoot as well with one. I was at the range with a friend one day with his .38spl and .357mag snub nose revolvers. I rapid fired both at about 7yrds and only put one round in the paper. Pathetic, I know. I would just need more practice.
I just find auto loaders more naturally. I do want to get a .357mag at some point in time, but it's not what I'm looking for right now.
These are great suggestions and insight. I compeletly forgot about Kahr. Keep 'em coming! Thanks a bunch!
I have a Kimber Custom II in .45acp that I normally carry IWB. I would be buying this pistol for a shoulder holster rig to use when I have light clothing.
I understand the .40 S&W is a better round but I like the universal availability of the 9mm and because the ammo is relatively cheaper for the range.
I would also slightly prefer that it would at least have at least a 10 round capacity.
The reason that I am not considering revolvers is that I have found I can't shoot as well with one. I was at the range with a friend one day with his .38spl and .357mag snub nose revolvers. I rapid fired both at about 7yrds and only put one round in the paper. Pathetic, I know. I would just need more practice.
I just find auto loaders more naturally. I do want to get a .357mag at some point in time, but it's not what I'm looking for right now.
These are great suggestions and insight. I compeletly forgot about Kahr. Keep 'em coming! Thanks a bunch!
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