fantacmet
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Several people to reply to here so I'm not going answer anyone too specifically.
Grip angle, check the front of the grip not the back, lay your 1911 and Glock on top of each other and line up the barrels. Also yes before the 1911 it is true the steep angled guns were praised for grip angle. Then again not everyone is going to point the same. Even not growing up with a 1911 or any other grip angle, my hand just can't handle the steep grips(must be a factory defect on me not the gun LOL) most people feel more comfortable becuase that is what they grew up with. The point is choice. Our officers have none.
Apoligies to the Glock lovers that are blind and think that all Glocks are perfect in everyway and that all others are sh*t. It is part my blame on that and part yours. You need to stop being so blind Glock is far from perfect, and not as great as everyone says but regardless they are good firearms. I shouldn't have been so broad in my rant about Glock(although my grip angle argument still stands, as well as the overrated durability aregument) in complete fairness the failings do seem to be limited to certain model/s in general, however if you read my post completely you will notice I said something about the larger calibers. Europeans don't have as much experience. We Americans like our things large and big enough to get the job done quickly without waste. Simple a larger caliber will get the job done in fewer shots in general(although there are many other factors so I don't want to get into the debate I'm not saying it as an end all). Glock was designed for a small caliber. While I give Glock kudo's for once again venturing into uncharted waters with the .45GAP even though it was uneeded since we have the .45ACP, the Glock pistols are designed originally to handle smaller calibers, and shortening the case I would presume would raise the case pressure(someone with more knowledge on that specific area please step in and either back it up or correct me as I would like further clarity). Before someone points it out, I know the .40S&W has a much higher case pressure, but it's also significantly smaller, and in the same area you get more material between you and the pressures. They didn't redesign the entire handgun and make a larger version to accomidate the new cartridge.
Also I agree the cop should be suing one and not the other. If he's not sure he's a buffoon, but our system is setup where people no longer have to take accountability for their own actions. Just like the song my grandpappy told me back in his day a man had to answer for the way that he'd done. Now we just blame everything on someone else regardless. While it may be appropriate in this case he should pick one or the other(unless it has been proven a combination of a defect in gun and ammo). I myself have Federal Hi-Shocks in one of my mags and Hornady XTP's in the other. Today when I get paid I plan on buying another box of Hornady's or some Cor-Bon, until I do some more research and find out that Federal doesn't have a history of these problems. If they do I will likely write them a letter explaining to them I am discarding my 20-30 dollar box of ammo, and will no be buying any more from them.
As far as the amount the officer is suing for, I do admit it seems rather high, but 50K is little comfort. Consider this, imagine he was in a firefight by himself because some insane madman doesn't know the rules about because you are a badguy you are supposed to wait until you are severely out numbered, and the officer's gun blows up in that situation. Now we have a dead officer and lord knows how many other dead people since the perp is now able to continue for now without interference. Plus the gun blowing up helps the madman's ego, so he feels more invincable and kills more people just to satisfy his bloodthirst. While such things are rare they are not anywhere near as rare as we would like to believe.
Our officers are out there risking their lives everyday(well most are, some could give to ????s less, but I will not let some bad officers spoil the fact that so many are out there and not in it for the paycheck they just want to help people), and they deserve the best. I don't think Glock is the best, others will disagree with me, saying Glock is flawless in every single way. There is no best single gun. Which brings us back, our officers need a choice. The ergonomics of one gun will not work for everyone. The closest thing we have to that is the HK that has interchangeable backstraps to fit different sized hands. HK is a spectacular firearm, personally I wouldn't carry one, but thats only because I don't like they way they look or feel, but again thats a metter of personal preference, I would probably carry an HK before a Glock. How many HK's do you hear about blowing up eh? Still our officers need some choices of top firearms, but it's seems to be a popularity contest. The XD for instance has proven itself every bit as good as a Glock. Yet many departments won't even consider it, they won't consider anything other then Glock. Kudo's to departments that do.
On the 1911 issue, I'm not sure what off the shelf 1911's you are talking about being more or less unreliable. Springfield, Les Bear, Wilson, and many others offier dead reliable 1911's that are in the same price range as the Glock. For not much more they can pikcup a Kimber. Hell Kimber has been known to drop the price just for LEO and Military personel. You can't tell me these off the shelf firearms are unreliable, and not durable. Although there are more garbage 1911's then good ones, I will definately give you that one, and perhaps that is the first thought came to your mind, which I can see. We all tend to pay more attention to the bad then the good. Speaking of which, here is something I try and do and I urge each and every one of you to do. We have all seen the bad officers out there, and we all usually take some sort of action like a phonecall for a reprimand, I have done it myself, and gotten an officer suspended without pay for 4 weeks, plus a formal letter of reprimand in his record. I have also called to say an officer has done an exemplary job. Doing more then he absolutely had to. Some supervisors don't like this stating their officers are only supposed to do their job and nothing more, PFT screw them. Next time you see an officer doing more then just his job, something where you go hey, I respect this man, look what he is doing, good for him, do everyone a favor, let the officer know you think he is doing a good job, it's mor eincentive for him to keep it up, also make a phone call, tell the supervisor, it will generally help to keep the good cops on the streets more often then bad cops. Plus just like our military men, good cops need a thank you for putting their ass on the line every single day. An no I am not a cop, nobody in my family is, my family hates cops, because of a few bad apples, but they could still use the encouragement, it's better for everyone overall.
Rev. Michael
Grip angle, check the front of the grip not the back, lay your 1911 and Glock on top of each other and line up the barrels. Also yes before the 1911 it is true the steep angled guns were praised for grip angle. Then again not everyone is going to point the same. Even not growing up with a 1911 or any other grip angle, my hand just can't handle the steep grips(must be a factory defect on me not the gun LOL) most people feel more comfortable becuase that is what they grew up with. The point is choice. Our officers have none.
Apoligies to the Glock lovers that are blind and think that all Glocks are perfect in everyway and that all others are sh*t. It is part my blame on that and part yours. You need to stop being so blind Glock is far from perfect, and not as great as everyone says but regardless they are good firearms. I shouldn't have been so broad in my rant about Glock(although my grip angle argument still stands, as well as the overrated durability aregument) in complete fairness the failings do seem to be limited to certain model/s in general, however if you read my post completely you will notice I said something about the larger calibers. Europeans don't have as much experience. We Americans like our things large and big enough to get the job done quickly without waste. Simple a larger caliber will get the job done in fewer shots in general(although there are many other factors so I don't want to get into the debate I'm not saying it as an end all). Glock was designed for a small caliber. While I give Glock kudo's for once again venturing into uncharted waters with the .45GAP even though it was uneeded since we have the .45ACP, the Glock pistols are designed originally to handle smaller calibers, and shortening the case I would presume would raise the case pressure(someone with more knowledge on that specific area please step in and either back it up or correct me as I would like further clarity). Before someone points it out, I know the .40S&W has a much higher case pressure, but it's also significantly smaller, and in the same area you get more material between you and the pressures. They didn't redesign the entire handgun and make a larger version to accomidate the new cartridge.
Also I agree the cop should be suing one and not the other. If he's not sure he's a buffoon, but our system is setup where people no longer have to take accountability for their own actions. Just like the song my grandpappy told me back in his day a man had to answer for the way that he'd done. Now we just blame everything on someone else regardless. While it may be appropriate in this case he should pick one or the other(unless it has been proven a combination of a defect in gun and ammo). I myself have Federal Hi-Shocks in one of my mags and Hornady XTP's in the other. Today when I get paid I plan on buying another box of Hornady's or some Cor-Bon, until I do some more research and find out that Federal doesn't have a history of these problems. If they do I will likely write them a letter explaining to them I am discarding my 20-30 dollar box of ammo, and will no be buying any more from them.
As far as the amount the officer is suing for, I do admit it seems rather high, but 50K is little comfort. Consider this, imagine he was in a firefight by himself because some insane madman doesn't know the rules about because you are a badguy you are supposed to wait until you are severely out numbered, and the officer's gun blows up in that situation. Now we have a dead officer and lord knows how many other dead people since the perp is now able to continue for now without interference. Plus the gun blowing up helps the madman's ego, so he feels more invincable and kills more people just to satisfy his bloodthirst. While such things are rare they are not anywhere near as rare as we would like to believe.
Our officers are out there risking their lives everyday(well most are, some could give to ????s less, but I will not let some bad officers spoil the fact that so many are out there and not in it for the paycheck they just want to help people), and they deserve the best. I don't think Glock is the best, others will disagree with me, saying Glock is flawless in every single way. There is no best single gun. Which brings us back, our officers need a choice. The ergonomics of one gun will not work for everyone. The closest thing we have to that is the HK that has interchangeable backstraps to fit different sized hands. HK is a spectacular firearm, personally I wouldn't carry one, but thats only because I don't like they way they look or feel, but again thats a metter of personal preference, I would probably carry an HK before a Glock. How many HK's do you hear about blowing up eh? Still our officers need some choices of top firearms, but it's seems to be a popularity contest. The XD for instance has proven itself every bit as good as a Glock. Yet many departments won't even consider it, they won't consider anything other then Glock. Kudo's to departments that do.
On the 1911 issue, I'm not sure what off the shelf 1911's you are talking about being more or less unreliable. Springfield, Les Bear, Wilson, and many others offier dead reliable 1911's that are in the same price range as the Glock. For not much more they can pikcup a Kimber. Hell Kimber has been known to drop the price just for LEO and Military personel. You can't tell me these off the shelf firearms are unreliable, and not durable. Although there are more garbage 1911's then good ones, I will definately give you that one, and perhaps that is the first thought came to your mind, which I can see. We all tend to pay more attention to the bad then the good. Speaking of which, here is something I try and do and I urge each and every one of you to do. We have all seen the bad officers out there, and we all usually take some sort of action like a phonecall for a reprimand, I have done it myself, and gotten an officer suspended without pay for 4 weeks, plus a formal letter of reprimand in his record. I have also called to say an officer has done an exemplary job. Doing more then he absolutely had to. Some supervisors don't like this stating their officers are only supposed to do their job and nothing more, PFT screw them. Next time you see an officer doing more then just his job, something where you go hey, I respect this man, look what he is doing, good for him, do everyone a favor, let the officer know you think he is doing a good job, it's mor eincentive for him to keep it up, also make a phone call, tell the supervisor, it will generally help to keep the good cops on the streets more often then bad cops. Plus just like our military men, good cops need a thank you for putting their ass on the line every single day. An no I am not a cop, nobody in my family is, my family hates cops, because of a few bad apples, but they could still use the encouragement, it's better for everyone overall.
Rev. Michael
