Our right to arms: What's at stake this November

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I already have my strategery down for this years elections.

I'm voting Republican for Governor and Lt. Governor. Senator and my local Congressperson.

Every other position, from State Agricultural Commissioner to Seceratary of State gets the libertarian vote first and if there isn't one running, it's republican by default.

I think, at least from looking at whats up for election in my state, that this reflects how I feel that the republican party is better for me overall (not just on guns of course), and hopefully, my votes for libertarians in other offices may actually help elect one of them or encourage more to run on that platform in the future.

All I can do is vote... well that and tell everyone who will listen what my plan is for the great state of GA:)
 
So now we depend on the Republicans to let us exercise our Constitutional rights? Screw 'em, I'm voting Libertarian and Republicans and Democrats both be damned.
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If the Libertarians were in charge HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, excuse me, as preposterous as that sounds, they would only be letting you exercise your rights also. They would have the power of the most powerful superpower ever on earth. They would be wielding the power to strip your rights away albeit just more benevolently. The genie is out of the bottle.


Ha Ha Ha libertarians winning an election <giggle> thats a good one,lol.
 
As they say, "Vote Freedom First!"

I still say that if you care about our right to arms, vote for the progun candidates who have the most viable shot at beating the antigun bigots, regardless of party.

That leaves 90 to 95% of the Democrats out as far as voting for them, as well as about the same percentage (or more) of Libertarians.

Who to vote for, then? NRA endorsed candidates, that's who.

Alot of gun owners would rather beat on the Republicans than vote for a progun Republican - vote for an antigun bigot, that'll teach "them damn Republicans" a lesson!

Well congratulations, genius - you may teach "them damn Republicans" a lesson but in doing so, you will put antigun bigots in power and gut our right to arms in the process.

Divide and conquer - it is one of the antigun bigot's favorite tools.
 
Your post title should say... Vote Guns First, forget about freedom. you seem to ignore that the republicans passed the Military Commissions Act. Which gives 1 person the right to point his finger at you and take all your rights away INCLUDING YOUR GUNS without the hint of due process, without you seeing what you've done to deserve it, and to be detained for as long as they feel like it.

Welcome to your new America.
 
This is way more complicated than Republicans = Good and Democrats = Bad. The fact is that our rights are being eroded from both the far right and the far left. Political parties are driven by activists and not many people get passionate about being centrist or reasonable. The only way to keep the extreme members of either party to run amok is to limit their power. The only way to do that is to make sure that there is a balance of power between the right and the left that forces them to meet in the middle and compromise.

Look, I don't like big government. I am not a big fan of socialism, I am a firm believer in Gun rights and I think school vouchers make a lot of sense. I am also pro-choice, in favor of Gay civil marriage and against prayer in public schools. I guess that makes me more of a Libertarian than anything else, but they are never going to win and I will tell you why. The Libertarian party takes its positions to stupid extremes that most people in this country think are completely nuts. That leaves us with the idiotic parties we have now and the best thing we can do is cause enough gridlock to force them to do the reasonable thing.
 
I pretty much have the same opinions and ideas as Scurtis. I'd point out however that the majority of people who bother to vote either vote just to keep the other party from winning, or they actually vote because they agree with the ideas the party espouses. And like it or not, there are a large number of people in this country who are against guns and want them banned. There's no easy way to reach these people, and it's going to be hard to change them.

I know a guy who claims to be Libertarian who told me in an email tonight he'll vote for Hillary if she runs! :eek:

Democrats I know kill me because in one breath they condemn owning guns, saying we don't need them, and in the next breath they complain about the government taking away our freedoms. :rolleyes:
 
This is way more complicated than Republicans = Good and Democrats = Bad. The fact is that our rights are being eroded from both the far right and the far left. Political parties are driven by activists and not many people get passionate about being centrist or reasonable. The only way to keep the extreme members of either party to run amok is to limit their power. The only way to do that is to make sure that there is a balance of power between the right and the left that forces them to meet in the middle and compromise.
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While I believe that we may fall into slightly different political beliefs I couldn't agree more. But I cannot recal any bill ever passed in modern times that infringed more upon our constitutional rights as the Military Commissions Act. I'm a Democrat...and probably like you (whoever you support), there are rare times when my party makes me proud of their actions. The problems the extreme right and left have created remind of something my Italian born and rasied mother always used to say to me... 'in American the government does not respect the people, when that happened in Europe they would violently overthrow them, then the would respect the people again until they forgot their lesson'.

The only reason that Democrats are looking good to the majority at the moment is because the republicans are looking so bad (pretty much the opposite of 1994).
 
I know a guy who claims to be Libertarian who told me in an email tonight he'll vote for Hillary if she runs!
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I'm a Democrat and if Hillary is running I will either vote for a republican if they are decent or nobody. I would be a happy guy if I never heard the names Hillary or Bush again.

:banghead: so you can imagine... I'm not so happy now:(
 
While Hillary could win the Democratic nomination, there is no way she could win the general election. They need to run someone from the center and she is anything but. IMHO, the one Democrat I would actually vote for has absolutely no chance of winning. He is a true centrist and a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, he has less charisma than a bowl of oatmeal. No, Joe Lieberman could never win the nomination.

I personally hope that John McCain runs and wins next time around. I am a huge fan and can think of nobody I would rather see in the White House.
 
Let us also remember that the Brady's, the lady who engineered the Brady Bill, were Republicans. :cuss: :banghead:

Use your head and vote the person, not he party.:fire: :D
 
I personally hope that John McCain runs and wins next time around. I am a huge fan and can think of nobody I would rather see in the White House.
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I am curious what you like about McCain.

He was behind Campaign Finance Reform, which clearly limits political speech which should have been protected by the First Amendment.

He also supports the Assault Weapons Ban and closing the "gun show loop hole".

I think a McCain presidency would be disastrous for civil rights.
 
You are aware that McCain was one of the authors and sponsors of the bill that decides it's ok for congress to abridge free speech and press 60 days before an election right?

Since that stinker of a bill is now 'constitutional' law they can amend it to say no one can criticize any candidate 1460 days(4 years) before an election by a simple 51%-49% majority vote.

McCain, Guiliani, Bloomberg and every Democrat can all drop dead.
 
The only "gridlock" I see coming for America is the kind we have seen, tragically, in places like Iraq. We are losing our civil liberties at the hands of scoundrels and poltroons from both sides of the aisle. Both Parties are out of control and flying the flag of lawlessness. Both overreach and the American people end up suffering because of it. I think we have a very few years to right this ship before we are torn apart by internal forces and left naked to our external enemies. I still think it is even-money there won't be an '08 Election. Crazy? We'll see. If there is one, it will be largely meaningless, given the amount of ignorance, apathy, brainwashing, and voter fraud. Suffrage means nothing when the civic soul is unsound at the core.
 
It doesn't matter what "the five-year plan" is. We already know what the Left is after. We've known that all along. The issue is whether we permit our rights to be torn from us--by any faction, by any Party. It was always about fighting for the rights of free men, and the issue today is figuring out how to do that and where. I have believed for some time that preserving the Union is futile; unifying America in the current state means a socialist America in a few years. We will need to shore up what is left of the American Project and protect it.
 
I think a McCain presidency would be disastrous for civil rights.
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He certainly would be better for civil rights than the current administration.

scurtis is right... Hillary would never win. That is assuming that the right doesn't do something really stupid and put up someone like Frist or Allen. I think it's McCain's to lose.
 
Hmm let's see

Republicans: Big Gov't, lets me keep my guns
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Are you aware that Bush was publically willing to sign another Assalt weapons ban?
Are you aware that EVERY piece of "common sense" Gun control laws that are on the books on HAS Republican votes all over them.

What you have left is myth. Enjoy.
 
Gun control is just the bogeyman that one so-called party uses to corral a certain group it thinks it owns. Same as the other "party" uses abortion. Every election cycle, the same poor, dumb fools are hoodwinked again.

I've said it here before, but it bears repeating. The Dems and Reps are tag-teaming us out of all of all of our rights. Most of us won't wake up till it's too late.
 
xd9fan said:
Are you aware that Bush was publically willing to sign another Assalt weapons ban?
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Which simply proves the issue isn't purely black and white. All Democrats, all bad, all the time on the 2A is no more correct than is all Republicans, all good, all the time on the 2A. I see the issue in one shade of very light gray and one shade of very dark gray.

With that outta the way, it was a Democrat controlled Congress and a Democrat majority with 40 some odd Republicans helping in the House (6 in the Senate) that passed HR3355. The Democrats didn't do it alone, but they clearly had the majority opinion on the issue of the AWB.

It was a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican majority that didn't renew the AWB.

xd9fan said:
Are you aware that EVERY piece of "common sense" Gun control laws that are on the books on HAS Republican votes all over them.
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True, and as is the case with trends in crime, one needs to look at the trends in gun control.

Some believe the Democrats are improving on the 2A and thus deserve a chance. One name I often hear kicked up is Gov. Schweitzer (D-MT). I think he's pretty rock solid on the 2A, but he's in Montana. It's easy to be a pro-gunner from any party in Montana. I would add former Gov. Paul Patton (D-KY). The NRA endorsed neither him nor his Republican opponent because the NRA rated both of them as A+ and said to Kentuckians vote other issues in the race because on guns ya cain't lose. Patton signed Shall Issue CCW into law, and I believe several improvements including one of the best reciprocity policies among the Shall Issue states.

Some also attempt to flip the issue about and claim it's very difficult to be a pro-gunner from places like New York or California, just explaining away folks like Schumer, Feinstein, et al.

Using GOA's candidate ratings [as NRA's are often criticized for being too Republican], a different picture emerges in looking at the House races in New York, California and Illinois--arguably the three most antigun states, and certainly the largest of the antigun states.
http://www.gunowners.org/votetb06.htm

Of the rated candidates in California, Democrats have a 0.3 GPA while Republicans have a 3.08 GPA.

Of the rated candidates in New York, Democrats also have a 0.3 GPA while the Republicans have a 3.25 GPA.

Of the rated candidates in Illinois, Democrats have a 0.43 GPA while the Republicans have a 2.57 GPA.

Clearly there is a big divide between D's and R's on the issue in the House. That's also true in the Senate, but I didn't crunch those numbers. Just skimmed 'em in the past, and the party divide was evident.
 
We are losing our civil liberties at the hands of scoundrels and poltroons from both sides of the aisle. Both Parties are out of control and flying the flag of lawlessness.
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don't forget who controls the agenda... hell the left cannot even get microphones for a meeting in the basement these days and they can barely even get a room in the basement. It's awfully convinent to blame both parties for this but if you have no check (repub house, senate, exec) you have no balance. Interestingly when the right controls everything they both stink... when the left controls... the left stinks. that may be balance where you come from... but not in my parts. It seems to me that the stench (in this congress) is coming for the right side of the isle... the left isn't allowed to use the facilities. :rolleyes:

but then again... I'm in Oregon...
 
I'm beginning to wonder if the people who say "Gridlock is good" are not right after all...

That's a sad commentary on our so-called "leaders." It seems that both parties are leading us, alright - into chains.
 
You nailed it, Progunner. We need a political enema at this point in time.
You can't polish a turd.

Biker
 
Gridlock's not the right term to describe what's coming. Slow-motion nervous breakdown may be.

You can't play a game when no one follows the rulebook and a lot of people don't even know there is one.

The "enema" will come when Americans acknowledge, perhaps as soon as the coming of the next Presidency, that the nation has not only become ungovernable but that it's barely a nation at all.
 
Punish the Republicans by letting people who are even more dangerous to our liberty get into office?

Politics is a game of inches. Let the Democrats get back in power and we lose liberty in yards not inches.

Even those who claim we are losing liberty under the Republicans say "can you imagine how the Democrats will use these new laws against us when they get the Presidency?"

My question is if the Democrats are going to use these new laws in even worse fashion than the Republicans then why would you want to give them any power at all? Punish the Republicans by giving a worse set of actors more authority?

That don't make no sense.
 
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