P.O. Box and a 4473 form

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It is discriminatory. I know people that have no address.
People that live in a vehicle, or live on the road in an RV.

I have also lived at a location that had no reasonable way to get mail, and any mail was dropped in the dirt down an unkept unpaved road nobody would drive down, far from the actual residence. Blowing away in the wind or being stolen before ever found by the person it was meant to go to was a very real possibility.
The mailboxes that were attempted to be put up there were also stolen or bashed in by teenagers about once a month.
Government that required a physical address almost always chose to send official crap to that address and not the PO box even when both were put on the paperwork. Insuring it got lost much of the time.


A defacto law requiring people to have an address to exercise a constitional right seems unconstitutional, especially at the federal level.

It is worse than the requirement that someone buying in one state must adhere to the laws of their home state. Why can't I purchase a gun I keep in a safety deposit box or in storage in another state that is not legal in my state? It is certainly legal to do with guns I happen to already own.
Why can I not buy a gun not legal at purchase in my home state (federal law states even to purchase a long gun in another state it must meet the laws of both states), but that with proper modifications becomes legal in my home state if I choose to bring it back. It is assumed I won't make those modifications or properly adhere to my state law, and bring it back as a prohibited item.


Really it is all out of the presumption that the purchaser is going to break the law. Assuming criminal intent of the purchaser, and so preventing them from doing what could otherwise be entirely lawful.
They assume a California resident buying in Nevada is going to take it back to California, and so should not be able to buy anything that does not coincide with California law. But what does what I do in Nevada have to do with what is legal in California? If I want to go to Alaska, buy something there, go on a hunt, then sell it or leave it there, why must it adhere to the laws of the state I am a resident in to be purchased?
Assumption that I am going to break Caliornia law if I am allowed to purchase it.
You are assumed to have criminal intent of violating your state law, and getting around your state restrictions by buying someplace else.
Likewise that is why the address is so important, to establish what state you are a resident of, to prevent you from buying what you cannot buy in your state, or handguns.
Law abiding citizens that pass a background check are assumed criminals.
 
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Hmmm... a German passport with a US address on it? That's interesting. Like my Wyoming driver's license which has a Washington state address on it...

No it was a German passport with a German address.

Out of state library cards don't allow books to be taken out of the building. But in a closed stack library a card is still needed to take books away from circulation, and use the internet.
 
If you don't want to give us your physical address, fine...then you don't get to take our books out of this building.

That depends what you mean by physical address. Latitude and Longitude is all some folks have to give if their domicile has not been assigned a permanent "Street" address.
 
That depends what you mean by physical address. Latitude and Longitude is all some folks have to give if their domicile has not been assigned a permanent "Street" address.

If they live in a permanent structure then it has some sort of address...for no other reason than emergency response. Otherwise...again they don't get to take books out of the building. Maybe they don't get to have a gun transferred to them either. Seems like exceptions are made for places like Alaska, also seems like many FFL dealers don't follow the letter of the law.
 
If they live in a permanent structure then it has some sort of address...for no other reason than emergency response.

On the Indian reservations and some other rural areas it's not uncommon to have addresses like "200 yards NW of the old barn". There's nothing wrong with such an address for the purpose of finding someone but it can be difficult coming up with official documents to prove it if all of your mail goes to a P.O. box.

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If they live in a permanent structure then it has some sort of address...for no other reason than emergency response. Otherwise...again they don't get to take books out of the building. Maybe they don't get to have a gun transferred to them either. Seems like exceptions are made for places like Alaska, also seems like many FFL dealers don't follow the letter of the law.

That is completely false. My family has owned a home in a very rural area for 3 generations now. There is no physical address. We only know how to get there by the dirt road that darts of the last paved street with a name... we have a large tree there that we've painted a band on so we don't miss it.
 
That is completely false. My family has owned a home in a very rural area for 3 generations now. There is no physical address. We only know how to get there by the dirt road that darts of the last paved street with a name... we have a large tree there that we've painted a band on so we don't miss it.

Do they pay any sort of property tax on it?
 
Wonder what happens if you change your address on your drivers license from:

John Smith
P.O. Box 123
Chicago, IL 60609

to

John Smith
500 Main Street
#123
Chicago, IL 60609

Nothing. It's Chicago, they won't let you have guns. ;)
 
I was stationed with a guy from somewhere in the North East whose address was "Pole #47, Midville Road." Apparently the power poles were numbered and that was the only way the Fire Department could locate some properties.

At least, here in WA, My DL has my physical address and the DMV keeps track of my mailing address (PO Box).

As I posted earlier, I went through 2 1/2 years of full time RV'ing with no fixed address. It was a bit of a pain, but there are work-arounds as long as you don't mind little white lies.....;):D (Insurance companies like to know where the vehicle is garaged, cities like Seattle have extra taxes attached to the tab fees, so they want a physical location, etc.)
 
Do they pay any sort of property tax on it?

Yes. And that is based on the plot's legal description. Still no street address.

A legal description is like this: SE ¼, Sec. 1, T 19 N, R 20 W.

As I said before, the best "Physical Address" some folks can provide for their permanent domicile is latitude and longitude, which IMO is much more understandable than legal descriptions.
 
Some other countries' passports have address

So what?

US passports do not, and we are discussing US addresses to satisfy BATF.

I doubt they are going to accept a foreign passport as much of anything besides MAYBE personal identification, and neither of the FFLs I use would.


Pass ports are proof of citizenship by international agreement, nothing more.

The minimum content is defined by treaty among the countries that will accept any particular other countries.

While ICE may know exactly what they are supposed to look like and contain, I doubt most folks outside their would.

Some third world country ones I have seen look pretty flimsy.

Like you could use a color printer to make a passable version.
 
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