Uh. You can bump start a manual in reverse, too. Just harder to see where you're going in the process.
Parking your vehicle rear end first.
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Uh. You can bump start a manual in reverse, too. Just harder to see where you're going in the process.
I usually....
back into a space. Place the claymores to both sides, take down the license plates of every car in the lot, get video of all of them. I then toss a few handfuls of Caltrops around... just in case.
Then I take my rabid rottweiller and chain him to the truck. He is, of course, trained to NOT set off the claymores. I also carry a truckload of mercenaries armed with state of the art....
Ok, this has gone silly hehe.
back into a space. Place the claymores to both sides, take down the license plates of every car in the lot, get video of all of them. I then toss a few handfuls of Caltrops around... just in case.
Then I take my rabid rottweiller and chain him to the truck. He is, of course, trained to NOT set off the claymores. I also carry a truckload of mercenaries armed with state of the art....
Ok, this has gone silly hehe.
Backer inners, and pull throughers in my neck of the woods drive me CRAZY! Most people have no idea how long their car is, nor how to use their mirrors, so if they pull through, they leave 3 ft of the car's ass in the spot I'm trying to park in. Or if that back in, they are so worried about hitting something with the rear of their long bed silverado that they leave 5 ft of nose sticking out into the aisle, causing a jam.
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I'd like to back in, but I've got a handicapped plate and it's illegal to back into a handicapped parking space. If I park way out like I normally do if I'm alone, I back in.
Maybe with a car, or the "newer" pickups with car-like transmissions, but not with my old pickup with 6:1 reverse and low. At least not unless you are parked on a cliff. I usually use 3rd (next to highest gear) to coast start.
I suspect the safety aspect of either is minimal, regardless of the supposed stats. I can't see how backing out of a space can be more dangerous than backing into one.
I would agree on the pull though option. It is obviously safer to pull out rather than to back out.
I am also suspicious of the supposed benefits of backing in if you need to put stuff in the trunk and there is another vehicle backed up against your trunk.
I would agree on the pull though option. It is obviously safer to pull out rather than to back out.
I am also suspicious of the supposed benefits of backing in if you need to put stuff in the trunk and there is another vehicle backed up against your trunk.
Ilbob, park with a cargo van to your right. Can you see traffic coming from that direction WITHOUT moving your vehicle?
Were I you, I would worry more about WHERE vehicles are parked than how they are parked. It's a whole package, not just one thing. Given the "pulling into the parking lot of a gas station" scenario, you would be better served to look and see which vehicles are conspicuously parked out of sight of the store clerks and cameras. Most stop-and-rob deals involve the suspect parking beside or behind the business and running out on foot. A terrific description of the bad guy does almost no good without a description of his vehicle if he uses one, and nearly every bad guy into hitting gas stations or liquor stores knows it.
Example: Several nights ago, I left work about 0200 in the morning to go grab a shot of caffeine. I pulled into the parking space in front of the store(nosefirst), and sat for a moment, as I always do, to observe what was going on inside before getting out and walking in. I had not been stopped less than 30 seconds when the typical nondescript "box chevy" pulled into the parking lot, and backed into the most remote spot in the parking lot, well out of view of the cashiers. I noticed the only occupant of the vehicle when he was backing in, but the only noticeable feature was the multicolored pullover hoodie pulled tight so that only his eyes and nose were visible. The temp was in the high 50s, and I think you see where I'm going with this.
The point is, awareness in these situations is not just noticing one thing, but a whole mindset and idea. Noticing everything around and being able to spot things that are out of place.
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Effective as of now, I'm coining the term "Shoot Me First Parking" to describe backing into a space. Please feel free to begin using this term where appropriate.
For example:
Original Poster - So I always back into a space to get out quicker, do any of you?
Shoot Me First Poster - WHAT? Don't you know that EVERYONE will know your carrying a gun if you park that way? You might as well wear a vest and a waist pack if you're gonna Shoot Me First Park.
For example:
Original Poster - So I always back into a space to get out quicker, do any of you?
Shoot Me First Poster - WHAT? Don't you know that EVERYONE will know your carrying a gun if you park that way? You might as well wear a vest and a waist pack if you're gonna Shoot Me First Park.
When I drive my parents 1997 Grand Caravan, if it's a narrow spot I usually back in. For some reason, with the long wheelbase and short overhang in the front, it's just easier to get the van into the space and properly aligned. On the other hand, the van's a cinch to parallel park, even though it's fairly long.
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I started parking rear end first in my driveway some time back as it meant I didn't have to put the sunshade up against my windshield to block the afternoon sun (back to the west.) As my car is a two door and the rear windows are all heavily tinted, this has worked nicely for me. The other thing I started noticing is that it is easier and safer to leave my house. I can see down the street in both directions better and it eliminates the possibility of backing into a kid zooming down the sidewalk on a bicycle. My wife's Explorer
has back up radar. At the mall, etc. I find backing into spaces works well with the radar so when we/I are in that car I typically back into public parking spaces. Again, I find it is much safer to drive forward out of a parking space than to back out of one. I am sure I am not the only person to have my car in gear, back up lights on, foot on the brake and look into the rear view mirror to see a "brain dead" person stroll nonchalantly past without so much as a glimpse towards my vehicle let alone making eye contact with me to be sure I am aware of their presence. Even worse than this is the epidemic stupidity and irresponsibility I see displayed by adults with small children in parking lots who let them run along on their own. Some of these kids are maybe 2- 3 feet tall. Measure the height from the trunk lid of the car to the ground or worse yet the SUV rear window to the ground or even worse yet the top of the tailgate to the ground and do the math. A tragedy waiting to happen. I never realized though that it makes me appear to be an off duty cop by parking this way. I wonder if someone will approach me and ask me to sign off their fix-it ticket?
I started parking rear end first in my driveway some time back as it meant I didn't have to put the sunshade up against my windshield to block the afternoon sun (back to the west.) As my car is a two door and the rear windows are all heavily tinted, this has worked nicely for me. The other thing I started noticing is that it is easier and safer to leave my house. I can see down the street in both directions better and it eliminates the possibility of backing into a kid zooming down the sidewalk on a bicycle. My wife's Explorer
has back up radar. At the mall, etc. I find backing into spaces works well with the radar so when we/I are in that car I typically back into public parking spaces. Again, I find it is much safer to drive forward out of a parking space than to back out of one. I am sure I am not the only person to have my car in gear, back up lights on, foot on the brake and look into the rear view mirror to see a "brain dead" person stroll nonchalantly past without so much as a glimpse towards my vehicle let alone making eye contact with me to be sure I am aware of their presence. Even worse than this is the epidemic stupidity and irresponsibility I see displayed by adults with small children in parking lots who let them run along on their own. Some of these kids are maybe 2- 3 feet tall. Measure the height from the trunk lid of the car to the ground or worse yet the SUV rear window to the ground or even worse yet the top of the tailgate to the ground and do the math. A tragedy waiting to happen. I never realized though that it makes me appear to be an off duty cop by parking this way. I wonder if someone will approach me and ask me to sign off their fix-it ticket?
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I think the whole point is that when you are at a gas station pumping gas and someone backs up to the front of the store it would not be a bad idea to bump up your alert level. If they are backed in with the engine running then I would bump up the alert level that much more.
When I go to get gas I first check out the store and look for any odd things that might tip me to any problems. Gas stations are magnets for scum bags of all kinds.
I had an incident where a person backed their car up into my home driveway and right up nearly touching my garage door. This was in all probability the start of a break in. Mr. Mossberg caused a change of mind.
When I go to get gas I first check out the store and look for any odd things that might tip me to any problems. Gas stations are magnets for scum bags of all kinds.
I had an incident where a person backed their car up into my home driveway and right up nearly touching my garage door. This was in all probability the start of a break in. Mr. Mossberg caused a change of mind.
Yeah, the helicopter insertion is ridiculous. Dynamic entry for a slurpee! Are you out of your mind? Been watching too many Rambo flicks?
I do, however, like the claymore/rabid rotty method, although I use a different approach. It would work in a pinch, though I must remind you that even a rabid rotty can be fairly easily circumvented by an operator with the right equipment (or a bag of sandwich meat).
My team and I (always travel in fire teams with at least a weapons specialist, sniper/designated marksman, a medic, a commo, and a demo guy) first circle the convenience store a few times, making the passes as inconspicuous as possible. The sniper (sierra one) then picks his spot. We then exfil the area and allow the sniper to reinfiltrate to the hide. This sometimes takes only 10-15 minutes but could take a few hours. You must not get impatient and attempt to rush the sniper in his reinfiltration of the target area. THE SLURPEES WILL BE THERE WHEN YOU GET THERE. Trust me, they won't run out.
Once sierra is in position, he can call in the rest of the team. We park our team van (it's a black van with a wing and a orange stripe on it) several blocks from the convenience store. For those smarty pants that must inevitably ask, yes we do tactically park our tactical A team van but the KEY is that we are many blocks from our intended target. Our tactical approach is made on foot, with normal tactical formations and with far more tactical awareness than we could possibly have while resting within the shag-carpeted walls of our van.
We then split the remaining members (all shooters regardless of specialty) into red element and gold element and approach the area using the cover and move bounding technique. Primary commo, medic and all heavy weapons remain with the cover element and move from one team to the other as the other team bounds.
Once the teams get into distance, the designated entry element approaches the convenience store. This is not done in a dynamic fashion! We have already reconned the area, and our sniper should have eyes on the convenience store to ensure that no threats have emerged. We aren't expecting contact, but we maintain tactical integrity in case there is a hidden danger. If some thread emerges, sierra can engage while the cover element lays down suppressive fire until the entry element can exfil. We then use rolling thunder to egress the area.
I should note that normally, no contact is made. However, OUR MISSION ISN'T OVER. While we are in the convienence store, we take every opportunity for civil affairs/psyops operations, buying candy or maybe cheap toys for the kids in the store or in the surrounding area. Even small seeds such as these can bear much fruite later.
As always, your tactical operations plan must be modified to suit the mission requirements, but I suggest these plans are far more tactically sound than flashbanging the aisles of the convenience store two times a day. Sure, explosives are fun and quick, but there are others ways to tactically enter a convenience store without resorting the the silly putty and bangers.
I do, however, like the claymore/rabid rotty method, although I use a different approach. It would work in a pinch, though I must remind you that even a rabid rotty can be fairly easily circumvented by an operator with the right equipment (or a bag of sandwich meat).
My team and I (always travel in fire teams with at least a weapons specialist, sniper/designated marksman, a medic, a commo, and a demo guy) first circle the convenience store a few times, making the passes as inconspicuous as possible. The sniper (sierra one) then picks his spot. We then exfil the area and allow the sniper to reinfiltrate to the hide. This sometimes takes only 10-15 minutes but could take a few hours. You must not get impatient and attempt to rush the sniper in his reinfiltration of the target area. THE SLURPEES WILL BE THERE WHEN YOU GET THERE. Trust me, they won't run out.
Once sierra is in position, he can call in the rest of the team. We park our team van (it's a black van with a wing and a orange stripe on it) several blocks from the convenience store. For those smarty pants that must inevitably ask, yes we do tactically park our tactical A team van but the KEY is that we are many blocks from our intended target. Our tactical approach is made on foot, with normal tactical formations and with far more tactical awareness than we could possibly have while resting within the shag-carpeted walls of our van.
We then split the remaining members (all shooters regardless of specialty) into red element and gold element and approach the area using the cover and move bounding technique. Primary commo, medic and all heavy weapons remain with the cover element and move from one team to the other as the other team bounds.
Once the teams get into distance, the designated entry element approaches the convenience store. This is not done in a dynamic fashion! We have already reconned the area, and our sniper should have eyes on the convenience store to ensure that no threats have emerged. We aren't expecting contact, but we maintain tactical integrity in case there is a hidden danger. If some thread emerges, sierra can engage while the cover element lays down suppressive fire until the entry element can exfil. We then use rolling thunder to egress the area.
I should note that normally, no contact is made. However, OUR MISSION ISN'T OVER. While we are in the convienence store, we take every opportunity for civil affairs/psyops operations, buying candy or maybe cheap toys for the kids in the store or in the surrounding area. Even small seeds such as these can bear much fruite later.
As always, your tactical operations plan must be modified to suit the mission requirements, but I suggest these plans are far more tactically sound than flashbanging the aisles of the convenience store two times a day. Sure, explosives are fun and quick, but there are others ways to tactically enter a convenience store without resorting the the silly putty and bangers.
Backing in or pulling thru whenever I can. Facts: you'll get into tighter spaces in reverse, and more accurately. You want to see better when leaving the spot, as often repeated above.
An extra plus side: most of the time the next car will be in head first, so I can park my passenger side as tightly to its passenger side as the mirrors allow, leaving more space for me on the driver's side to swing open the door without denting the other neighbor. Now how's that for
An extra plus side: most of the time the next car will be in head first, so I can park my passenger side as tightly to its passenger side as the mirrors allow, leaving more space for me on the driver's side to swing open the door without denting the other neighbor. Now how's that for
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I disagree. First factor is collision velocity; if you back into a parking space and screw up, you get an ultra-low-speed fender bender (or bumper scratcher). If you back OUT of a parking space, and don't see the guy in the 5000 pound SUV barreling down the row at 25 mph because you are parked next to an SUV, you can get into more of a collision.
Second factor--visibility when exiting the space. I have probably had about ten close calls so far in which I was backing out, and somebody else started backing out of the space behind me. Wal-Mart parking lots are terrible about this, particularly at night. At least if you're pulling out, you can see better, and get out of the space sooner.
I don't back in when parking at a convenience store or anything, but I do pull through whenever I can in large parking lots.
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Amen!
Last accident I had was as I was backing out of a parking space and an elderly man zipping through the parking lot in an old 'dillic trashed the load I had on a cargo carrier, the cargo carrier, and the side of his De Ville.
Sometimes I take up two parking spots. It looks accidental, but I did it on purpose.
That's not for any tactical reason, just the fact that I'm an ass and don't want anyone dinging my doors with their POS beater.
That's not for any tactical reason, just the fact that I'm an ass and don't want anyone dinging my doors with their POS beater.
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I find most people backing up hilarious. They have more trouble backing a car up than I had backing a set of doubles.
Hint, put the end in that doesn't steer first...
I find most people backing up hilarious. They have more trouble backing a car up than I had backing a set of doubles.
Hint, put the end in that doesn't steer first...
Per this thread, I've started backing in. Ridicule it all you want, it's one of those trivial lifestyle changes that can make a difference.
I usually back into parking spaces in state vehicles - just the way I always did it on patrol, and the habit stuck. I usually back in with my private car too, but it is a Mini Cooper, so I can parallel park in spaces designed for drive in or back in parking If I was going to rob a convenience store, I would park at one of the pumps, and put the pumps between my car and the store so it would be harder to see the car or get a license number.
John
If I was going to rob a convenience store, I would park at one of the pumps, and put the pumps between my car and the store so it would be harder to see the car or get a license number. John
Funny, one would think with all the concern over increased gas skips from the higher gas prices, cameras would be pointed at the cars in at the pumps as well as those right in front of the store.
I'm not sure strategy and tactics is about the strategy and tactics of robbing gas stations, however.
While you are checking your mirrors to back into the parking spot you just passed by I'll be getting out of my car after having pulled in nose first.
firefighters too
My father-in-law is a volunteer firefighter and he backs in most of the time. I usually back in (or pull through) mainly because it's easier when leaving however I don't do it all the time. At work, the end rows have signs saying head on parking only... I usually try and avoid those spots.
I never really thought about it from a security standpoint and while I don't think I would not enter a building if their is a car parked this way, from now on, I will probably be a little more aware of what's going on around me.
My father-in-law is a volunteer firefighter and he backs in most of the time. I usually back in (or pull through) mainly because it's easier when leaving however I don't do it all the time. At work, the end rows have signs saying head on parking only... I usually try and avoid those spots.
I never really thought about it from a security standpoint and while I don't think I would not enter a building if their is a car parked this way, from now on, I will probably be a little more aware of what's going on around me.
"back-up" vehicle parking...
I like to honk my horn and back that *** up( ) as the kids say...
It makes your egress faster and maybe safer. I had a on call job as a van driver for DoD/US military applicants. I drove a big Ford E-350 van and had to park that MFer in all kinds of strip malls parking lots etc. It was a major pain but worth it for when I had to leave.
With my own POV(private vehicles) I like to back in because if other cars park near you, the doors won't get in your way and you can see more as you exit the area.
Rusty S
PS: When I was a US Army MP, we were told not to use drive thrus and to park our patrol vehicles by backing in too.
I like to honk my horn and back that *** up(
) as the kids say...It makes your egress faster and maybe safer. I had a on call job as a van driver for DoD/US military applicants. I drove a big Ford E-350 van and had to park that MFer in all kinds of strip malls parking lots etc. It was a major pain but worth it for when I had to leave.
With my own POV(private vehicles) I like to back in because if other cars park near you, the doors won't get in your way and you can see more as you exit the area.
Rusty S
PS: When I was a US Army MP, we were told not to use drive thrus and to park our patrol vehicles by backing in too.
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