Pat Rogers' Carbine Course Review or Eat Your Heart Out El-T
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El Tejon
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Oh, no, we've created a training monster in 444!
You might be right. I believe it was last August I read a thread on TFL started by Denny about a course he took at Gunsite. Pat chimed in as well. I had never taken a class prior to that time but had always wanted to take one. I decided, there is no time like the present, so I signed up for 223. Then I took Frontsight's Practical Rifle Course (they are about 30 miles away from me). Then 250 at Gunsite. Next is 556 next month. I also hope to take a basic shotgun, and a basic handgun course at Frontsight along with a two day repeat of practical rifle before the end of the year.
I wanted to take the tactical medic course at Gunsite in July, but alas, I am broke. I could have actually written that one off on my taxes.
I wanted to take the tactical medic course at Gunsite in July, but alas, I am broke. I could have actually written that one off on my taxes.
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You'll really enjoy and get a lot out of the 556 with Pat. Take as many mags as you can, 'cause you'll be shootin' a lot
FWIW, H&K has a new Advanced Tac Medic class in addition to their basic Tac Medic School. A lot of firearms and tactics (including MP5 quals) mixed in with things like emergency surgical airway management, retrograde intubation, fiber optic and orotracheal intubation techniques, biological weapons, etc. For more info check out www.tacticalmedicine.com
We'll also be running a full review of this course in the January issue of S.W.A.T.
Denny
You'll really enjoy and get a lot out of the 556 with Pat. Take as many mags as you can, 'cause you'll be shootin' a lot
FWIW, H&K has a new Advanced Tac Medic class in addition to their basic Tac Medic School. A lot of firearms and tactics (including MP5 quals) mixed in with things like emergency surgical airway management, retrograde intubation, fiber optic and orotracheal intubation techniques, biological weapons, etc. For more info check out www.tacticalmedicine.com
We'll also be running a full review of this course in the January issue of S.W.A.T.
Denny
Just my $.02
But the qualifiers probably help add that "level of stress" that is so important to duplicate in training.
I know that I have seen lots of students breeze along in a class thinking they have their crap together only to fall apart when they are trying to "beat the clock"
But the qualifiers probably help add that "level of stress" that is so important to duplicate in training.
I know that I have seen lots of students breeze along in a class thinking they have their crap together only to fall apart when they are trying to "beat the clock"
El Tejon
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444, I believe THR's "Doc" took the HundK tacmed klassen. May want to PM him.
Denny, I am aware of that course, in fact I know one of the doctors that teaches at it, however I can't take it. Registation requires a letter from the training division of my department detailing why I want to take the course. That isn't going to happen.
El Tejon
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Gabe, the EBR or the new cartridge???
El Tejon
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Gabe, "Enhanced Battle Rifle." It's a Star Trekked up (neon/xeon laser/phasers and wind speed indicator) cut-down M14. My boxing instructor used one in the 'stan and during recon of Northern Iraq. Just the Tanker concept from 1945 worked over by the boyz at Crane. Everything old is new again, get out your top hat and cane . . . .
The 6.8mm is the alleged new cartridge that the boyz at Crane (you know the mad scientist type from the Simpsons? "Mr. Simpson with your money I could develop my death ray. Hibeen!") have been buzzing about for years and was finally latched unto by the Devildog brass. The thinking is to increase the caliber to up the "killing power" so the boys do not have to hump as much ammo and have a longer reach to their bow.
Louis had some choice words for this idea. As well, he related that as a yute in SuidVestAfrika, hunting of springbok (weight approx. 90 lbs.) was not allowed with 6mm. He was aghast that the U.S. militree was contemplating using a 6mm against a man who could shoot back. Apparently, Louis may be a top drawer instructor, master rangemaster and former helicopter jumper-out-ofer, but he has no understanding of the REMF mind. It must be good! It's new!
The 6.8mm is alleged to have its coming out party in '05. Personally (after talking with alleged individuals who allegedly work for the government a few purported counties to the alleged south of me), I don't see how. Too much going on, but look at the M14/M16 transition, smack dab in the middle of the Battle for Viet Nam.
I was going to explain Iwannacoolgunvirus and how things really work in our militree (e.g. the M9 pistola) to him, but that would cut into instruction time. Besides Louis not the chatty type.
"Here's a clue for you, Kirrrk. God gave you two ears and one mouth. So, shut it already!"
Let me know if this is enough.
The 6.8mm is the alleged new cartridge that the boyz at Crane (you know the mad scientist type from the Simpsons? "Mr. Simpson with your money I could develop my death ray. Hibeen!") have been buzzing about for years and was finally latched unto by the Devildog brass. The thinking is to increase the caliber to up the "killing power" so the boys do not have to hump as much ammo and have a longer reach to their bow.
Louis had some choice words for this idea. As well, he related that as a yute in SuidVestAfrika, hunting of springbok (weight approx. 90 lbs.) was not allowed with 6mm. He was aghast that the U.S. militree was contemplating using a 6mm against a man who could shoot back. Apparently, Louis may be a top drawer instructor, master rangemaster and former helicopter jumper-out-ofer, but he has no understanding of the REMF mind.
It must be good! It's new! The 6.8mm is alleged to have its coming out party in '05. Personally (after talking with alleged individuals who allegedly work for the government a few purported counties to the alleged south of me), I don't see how. Too much going on, but look at the M14/M16 transition, smack dab in the middle of the Battle for Viet Nam.
I was going to explain Iwannacoolgunvirus and how things really work in our militree (e.g. the M9 pistola) to him, but that would cut into instruction time. Besides Louis not the chatty type.
"Here's a clue for you, Kirrrk. God gave you two ears and one mouth. So, shut it already!"Let me know if this is enough.
Thanks Tejon,
You're the first person I heard from who has some first hand information. Do you know what case this 6.8 is based on? People have said its a 120 grainer going at 2,750fps which sounds improbable from small cases. (Unless they load it dangerously hot and risk cook off in fullauto).
Anyway I hope they make it into circulation, maybe I'll finally be tempted to buy an AR.
You're the first person I heard from who has some first hand information. Do you know what case this 6.8 is based on? People have said its a 120 grainer going at 2,750fps which sounds improbable from small cases. (Unless they load it dangerously hot and risk cook off in fullauto).
Anyway I hope they make it into circulation, maybe I'll finally be tempted to buy an AR.
El Tejon
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Gabe, according to the Hibeens at a certain alleged governmental purported facility that may be in Southern Indiana, there have been lots of experimentation with new "compressed" powders and primers. We shall see.
I'm never confident of ballastic numbers: 1. they are marketing hype and do not hold up to testing, 2. The Base and others who need shooting may not be able to read ballastic tables. "Omar, what are you doing, reading is for the infidels!"
I'm never confident of ballastic numbers: 1. they are marketing hype and do not hold up to testing, 2. The Base and others who need shooting may not be able to read ballastic tables. "Omar, what are you doing, reading is for the infidels!"
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