Pay pal is anti gun I suggest you close your account.

[H&Hhunter]

Why you shouldn't use Pay Pal.





In a message dated 10/22/2006 11:03:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Dear Gregory Allyn,

We appreciate the fact that you chose PayPal to send and receive payments
for your transactions.

However, your account has been limited for violating PayPal's Acceptable
Use Policy regarding Firearms, Weapons, and Knives. The Policy prohibits
the use of PayPal to send or receive payments for any firearm, in addition
to certain firearm parts and accessories, ammunition, destructive devices,
militaria and ordnance, weapons, and knives. The complete Acceptable Use
Policy addressing Firearms, Weapons, and Knives can be found at the
following URL:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=weapons

To appeal the limitation on your account, you will need to:

1. Remove PayPal as a payment option, as well as all references to PayPal,
including the PayPal logo and/or shopping cart, from your website(s),
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976786389.htm ; and

2. Submit the online Acceptable Use Policy affidavit.

This is not intended to be an all-inclusive review or list of your Internet
sites in violation. Furthermore, the violations of the Policy described
above are not intended to be an all-inclusive list. It is the
responsibility of the user to ensure that all transactions comply with the
Acceptable Use Policy.

For more information about the status of your account and for instructions
on how to restore full use of your account, please login to your PayPal
account. We encourage you to log in and restore full access as soon as
possible. Should access to your account remain limited for an extended
period of time, it may result in account closure.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. If you have any
questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department at
[email protected].

Sincerely,
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



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PayPal Email ID PP522


My reply,


Dear Sir, Ma'am.

You are violating my constitutionally guarantied rights. I am engaging in the lawful and legal transfer of sporting firearms through legal process put in place by our federal and local government. Wether or not the Pay Pal inc agrees with these transactions or not is besides the point. This is a CONSTITUTINALLY PROTECTED RIGHT!!

Please immediately close my Pay Pal account. Please immediately obtain a copy of the constitution of the United States of America. Please read said document and please realize that people have given their lives throughout the history of our great country to protect said rights.

Sincerely

Gregory T Allyn

 

[MatthewVanitas]

his is a CONSTITUTINALLY PROTECTED RIGHT!!

That has nothing whatsoever to do with PayPal. PayPal is not the government, and did not do anything to oppress you.

You, however, violated a legal contract (the terms of use) which you agreed to when you joined PayPal.

PayPal can define their terms of use however they want. If their terms of use say that you can't sell "The Communist Manifesto" using PayPal, have they violated your 1st Amendment Rights?

What you're asking is that the government force a private company to act against its wishes, rather than simply use some other method of payment. This is Statism at its worst, and contrary to the very ideals of Liberty.

If you disagree with PayPal's policies, nobody is forcing you to use them.

Rather than rant at them for having a different ideology than yours (and I guarantee you that some PayPal clerk read your email, rolled his eyes, and deleted it) , you should apologize to them for breaking your half of the agreement.

The Free Market is a magical thing, let's respect it.

-MV

 

[rallyhound]

I have used paypal many times to buy and sell guns.
I dont give a damn about their un-american policies.
If they find out and close my account so be it.
i use them just to thumb my nose at them.

 

[SoCalShooter]

I use it all the time to purchase weapons and other accessories.

 

[Hawk]

Personal choices.

Mine is no better than anyone else's. However, there is no product on the face of this planet, at any price, that I want bad enough to use Paypal.

At one time, I would have made an exception for a NIB Dakota Superlight in 28Ga for 9.99, but even that is no more. No paypal, not once, not ever.

 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Paypal suspended my account too, for using their service to accept payment for a rifle I sold recently. Good riddence, I suppose. If I knew how to permanently close the account I would gladly do so.

It's their service, and they have a right to control how it's used. If they want to impose senseless rules against firearms transactions then there's nothing any of us can do about it.

 

[RNB65]

You are violating my constitutionally guarantied rights.

I'm afraid you are incorrect. Constitutional rights only apply to the relationship between you and the government. Not between you and a private company.

 

[carpediem]

Didn't use Paypal even before I knew about their anti-RTKBA stances. The system is vulnerable to abuse. The fees are high. You don't have direct control over your money once you establish an account (e.g. freezing accounts, etc.)

If you value the convenience it offers, knock yourself out. Me, I'll continue to use USPS Money Orders for most online purchases.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I don't do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots. Never did. Never will.

 

[.38 Special]

I'm all for sending polite letters to PayPal asking that they reconsider their policies. These should not, however, contain excess exclamation points, references to the Constitution or Bill of Rights, or be submitted without first spellchecking.

IMO, of course.

 

[Kentak]

It is impossible for PayPal to violate your constitutional rights. You have them confused with the government.

K

 

[H&Hhunter]

I find it interesting to see the amount of emotion some of you have used in your posts demanding that I should calm down.

If you want to do business with Pay Pal that is your choice. As I wrote in my response however, I am done with them.

I do not support anti RKBA, and therefore, anti American companies.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

All of you folks who use Pay Pal with great regularity to purchase firearms and related stuff are aiding the enemy. Plain and simple.

 

[sm]

I do not support anti RKBA, and therefore, anti American companies.

Neither do I .

 

[jenniferjane]

I don't think Paypal's policy is "anti-American." Covering your a$$ is a very American thing for companies to do.

Their restricted/prohibited items list extends to a wide variety of products - everything from certain electronics and software to adult toys to weapons. Their enforcement of their own policies is spotty, and calling their customer service line to ask questions about what is and is not appropriate is a laughable experience.

There are lots of reasons not to use Paypal, but the Second Amendment sure doesn't fit into any of them, in my little opinion. Unfortunately, many people who do business on the Internet need to accept Paypal because the customers demand it. I find myself in that boat.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

I don't use Paypal, buy Levi's, or do business with any other anti-gun company unless I have no other alternative.

 

[mp510]

PAYPAL may or may not inherintly anti-gun. Regardless, they have a right to determine what sort of business they choose to engage in. They do have policies, which you willingly violated their TOS, and they have a right to choose not to do business with you. Opting not to handle payment for guns, or anything else that they don't handle does not make them anti-gun. It's not like they have a hiostory of making donations to Sarah Brady or something (do they????). Obviously, I personally opt not to deal with the sort of companies that make obvious anti gun statements, like giving the Brady bunch green stuff, but PAYPAL is very useful, and they are making a business, not political move.

You may be interested in Gear Pay- they are very gun friendly

 

[MatthewVanitas]

All of you folks who use Pay Pal with great regularity to purchase firearms and related stuff are aiding the enemy. Plain and simple.

When PayPal comes to my house and demands that I surrender firearms, religious objects, and controversial books, I'll consider them the enemy. In the meantime, they're just another business that's covering its tail against lawsuits.

Why should they go out of their way to take on further liability risk, when they don't see any profit in it? They're a business, not a charity.

I find it interesting to see the amount of emotion some of you have used in your posts demanding that I should calm down.

Only one post on this thread had exclamation points and all-caps shouting.

-MV

 

[tulsamal]

All of you folks who use Pay Pal with great regularity to purchase firearms and related stuff are aiding the enemy. Plain and simple.

Rather the opposite in my case. I use them now and then. I carefully make sure that my account stays the "personal" variety. No fees. I never leave a dime of my money in my account. So I'm using their service which I assume costs them _something._ While not paying for anything. Seems like I'm hurting them more than I'm helping them!

Gregg

 

[countertop]

I just purchased an EVIL AK47 - with an even more evil folding stock - using paypal

 

[bender]

I don't use Paypal, buy Levi's, or do business with any other anti-gun company unless I have no other alternative.

ok, so what's the deal with Levi's?

 

[real_name]

Levis anti-gun search on google.

No loss, try these.

http://www.totersjeans.com/index.html

 

[Green Lantern]

Sorry OP, but like the others have said....

PayPal = anti? Yes

PayPal = violating your rights? Nope.

Still, never hurts to remind people that PayPal IS anti. I had no idea when I first signed up with them. My account has long been gathering dust, though some of the NON gun "horror stories" I've heard about them makes me wonder if I should try to move the needed mountains to close it out...!

 

[JMag]

While in a private company's "house" you play by their rules or you get out. That said, I closed my PP account over a year ago because of their anti-gun stance.

 

[Kentak]

Anyone has a right to boycott any outfit they want for whatever reason.

Let me just say some of you are making unwarranted leaps of logic to conclude that just because PayPal doesn't want to allow their service used for firearms transactions that they are anti RKBA, or, even more ridiculous, anti-American. Just my opinion.

K

 

[Johnnybgood]

I have used PAYPAL in the past

for purchases/sales on ebay. I have a paypal credit card. I do not use either of them anymore. Well I used paypal to send money to help Shaun Kranish with legal fees arrising from his illegal arrest for transporting a firearm. Other then that I now pay by money order or personal check. I figure if I am using their service I am contributing to their pocketbook which gives them more money for their anti 2A stance. So no more paypal for me. However I have to agree with the others. If you use paypal you agreed to their tems.