People with guns who never shoot?

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A gun is no more going to protect one by itself than go out on its own and wreak all the havoc that anti gun folk ascribe to them. One must do more than just familiarize, one must practice. It could be a matter of life and death.
While we all want to believe that's the case, it's really not.

As i said, read Armed Citizen, and you'll see little old grandmas with no shooting experience blowing away criminals every month.

There is no doubt whatsoever that training helps, but it is not essential.

Oh, and M2 carbine, if i was your neighbor, you'd see my face at your range weekly...at least. :D
 
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Self defense shooting is more about how you deal with stress. You may "train" weekly and shoot 1000's of rounds a month, but crack under pressure... or you may be as cool as a cucumber under pressure and get the job done after simply learning how to operate any given firearm.

This reminds me of something I heard a few years ago. A guy was talking about fighting in Iraq. He said something like not all soldiers are warriors.

He went on to say that several times he had been in fire fights and a first timer would completely freeze. Despite some of the best and most intense training you can imagine they couldn't handle it when TSHTF. On the other hand he said a guy that had been in country less than 72 hours drug him out of the street after he was wounded. They had fire coming from multiple places and the new kid drug his butt to safety.
 
There have been studies that revealed a VERY small % of troops actually do all the fighting, where most stay low and hunkered, and will rarely even return fire at all.
 
Sometimes reading THR becomes an immersion in fantasy.

Fine-honed shooting skills represent a cute accomplishment. But the daily matter of life and death is proper handling and storage. Too many people get hurt unintentionally through negligence, lack of practical training and plain stupidity.

Shoot a thousand rounds a day for all I care. I´ve done that too. Scores don´t mean squat. The person I´ll trust is the one who knows how to cross a barbed wire fence with a shotgun, who knows instinctively to check that every firearm given or received is unloaded, who can at any moment and with 100% confidence guarantee on his/her life that no child or irresponsible person could access their unattended firearm(s).

If you want to predicate the right to keep and bear arms upon some requirement, make it the demonstrated ability to safely handle, transport and store what you have.
 
Sometimes folks can't shoot all the time or go to the range.
I have a couple ranges by me, but they're indoor or handgun only or something. I only shoot when I go up to my summer home, probably 5 times a year, mostly holidays or sometimes in the summer.
 
A lot of people really don't have the time to shoot. I have three jobs and I really have to struggle to find a couple hours to get to the range. Some people like me have to work all the time in order to pay the normal bills. The general lowering of wages over the last twenty years has really hurt all forms of recreation. BTW, I am writing this while my college class does their in-class essay assignment!
 
Two comments:

First is my situation. I live five miles and fifteen minutes from the county shooting facility. It costs $2.00 a carload and for this you get a porta-john which is maintained regularly, and two ranges, fifty yard pistol and 300 yard rifle. Additionally, I've been out of work for over a year and, thus, can go shooting pretty much any time I want. I have a couple of shotguns, some centerfire rifles and pistols and some .22's. My wife and I have agreed to keep a minimun of 100 rounds on hand for each centerfire and shotgun plus 1000 rounds of .22, although we usually have more. I haven't been shooting since November.

Shooting alone is just no fun. Oh, I go by myself occasionally but it's more fun with someone else along. I've made at least a dozen shooting appointments in that time, none of which has ever actually happened. Admittedly, we had a wet spring and the range was a sea of sandy mud six inches deep over hardpan, but that has been cleared up for months. Now, of course, it's too hot. People talk about going but nobody ever shows up. Guess I'll just sit here, surrounded by firearms I don't shoot, and drink.

The other situation is one I encountered some years ago. The sister of my then-girlfriend had turned forty and decided that, living in the Marina District of San Francisco, she needed something to protect herself. A professional student, she had attained a doctorate in microbiology and was currently attending law school--guess that micro-thing didn't work out so well. She had one of her hair-gelled, cheeto munchin' classmates to set her up with a gun. This specimen, obviously a frustrated crime-buster, put her onto a Browning BDA in .380, which she bought and left in the box, on her closet shelf. She had never bought ammo for it because she didn't kow what to buy, neither, apparently, did Hair-gel Boy.

Using the argument that you wouldn't want to have a car you had never driven, indeed, didn't know how to drive, or even put gas in it, would you? The next time she came over the hill to visit, she brought it along. I had bought a box of hardball and a box of silvertip hollowpoints so we went to the range. She had trouble getting the thing loaded--she kept wanting to put the rounds in the magazine backwards--and had a lot of trouble getting the slide pulled back. The concept of a safety seemed beyond her grasp. She hated the brass flying everywhere. She decided the whole damn lthing was too complicated! Remember, this woman had a DOCTORATE in a medical field, and has undoubtedly operated very complicated lab equipment.

Then, we let her fire her sister's model 19 S&W. She loved it. I eventually ended up buying the Browning from her (but that's another story) and she ended up with a Ladysmith that she keeps in the box on her closet shelf. At least I made sure she had ammo.

Point here is that some, like me, like to have company. Others, like the woman in the story, seem to think that a gun is some sort of magic wand, get it out when evil threatens, otherwise, leave it alone, lest it lose its powers.

Did that make sense?

ed
 
I'll use my uncle as an example. He purchased a S&W revolver
chambered in .32 caliber. Took it to the range with a box of
50 rounds and in his words "Learned how to use it".

I think I've seen his expert posts on the forums..............:rolleyes:
 
Shooting alone is just no fun

I feel the exact opposite. Socializing with others interested in the same things is great, but I find it distracting while shooting. I prefer to shoot alone. It's meditative. The ear plugs are in and you have to concentrate on your stance and focal point.

Being without a car in Alaska adds to the challenge of getting to the range, but nothing is impossible. I'm there twice a month in the summer and once a month even in the subzero temps of winter. It may be a thirty mile round trip, but to paraphrase that well-known gun nut TE Lawrence: "The gun range is over there, it's only a matter of going." ;-)
 
More people are killed each year by unskilled drivers than by unskilled gun owners.

Absolutely true!! Know why? Because there are many fools out there that don't think a vehicle is dangerous and don't practice effective safe driving techniques. See the connection here?

I am getting tired of people on this website saying who should, and who should not own guns. Slippery slope.

Don't get me wrong!!! I 100% believe in the 2nd amendment! I'm not saying that people who don't train with their weapon shouldn't legally be allowed a gun. This is preposterous. I'm saying in my opinion, It frustrates me when I see things at the range like people reloading the weapon with their finger on the trigger. etc. I'm not saying people who can't hit a 12" target at 50 yards with their handgun shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. What I'm saying is that It frustrates me when I see someone that owns one who doesn't even practice safe operation of that weapon.

Wrong....A gun is just another tool in the tool box...You would be just as dead if you improperly used your chainsaw or brush-hog, as would any unfortunate passers-by..You would also be just as dead if smashed upside the head with a ball peen hammer..

Wheeler, First off I have the utmost respect for anyone posting on this forum, we are all believers in the 2nd amendment of the constitution of our nation! I am sorry If my post came across insensitive or egotistical! That having been said, I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that the killing power of a gun is on par with that of a chainsaw or brush-hog.

On that same note however, I would advocate that anyone who wishes to protect them self with a chainsaw, brush-hog, or throwing hammers ninja style also become totally familiar with their weapon and practice accuracy. That way if they ever have to use it, the likely hood of an accident will be greatly reduced. That's kinda the point I was trying to make in the first place I suppose, is that I advocate for people to master their weapon, because it will reduce the likelihood of a potential accident, and increase the likelihood of success in the event (god forbid) they have to engage with that weapon. I wasn't saying the government should impose minimum shooting restrictions to own a gun or anything like that.
 
Just like with toilet plungers, many people recognize the usefulness of a firearm. Many people feel it is logical to have one "accessible". That doesn't mean that they are going to take particular interest in using them until the particular moment of need comes.

Owning a gun is not hard. Current production firearms are not expensive(except HK ofcourse:neener:), so many people can afford one.

But shooting itself is actually quite expensive if you are going to make a habit out of it. Ammo is not entirely reusable and disappears in a flash and a puff of smoke. Just the price of 50 centerfire rounds a week will buy more than a few necessary groceries every month. Also, not all people can get past the blast and report of shooting their self defense tool to enjoy doing it again and again and again. Silencers/sound suppressors that would make shooting less harsh are so expensive and heavily regulated that few people will ever get them. Most people can't shoot on their property, and have to make time for a short trip to a shooting facility and possibly pay fees to use it.

Unless you are "into it", shooting has many potential turn offs.
 
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Shooting is an expensive sport/hobby.

I see nothing wrong in the person who buys a gun and shoves
it into a drawer for years on end. I would rather they be armed
than not. Thats good...

Whats better though is the person who takes the gun out to
the range a few more times to make sure it functions properly.

No one needs to be a master marksman. I think just a range trip
here and there would help anyone stay in tune with their skills.

Someone mentioned above about taking a hiatus of several months
and being able to still shoot well. I believe this. I've done the same
thing myself.

Not faulting anyone. Lots of people here with different lives and
obligations. Just wish my uncle and others could get in a little
more range time. It wouldn't hurt any.

Hamsen
 
I'm very opinionated on this... so I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I believe If you do not actively fire your gun(s) and strive to become an absolute marksman with it (them), you do not deserve to own a gun(s).

Just just love elitist gun snobbery anti-2nd Amendment bluster. So if we don't strive to your expectations, then we don't deserve to own guns? Wow. Luckily you don't make the laws.
 
Range Time

I believe that you should fire the gun at least once when you get it. I sell primarilty Snub Nose self protection guns. These guns once called "belly guns" are exactly that, close range up close self protection.
 
I've got a buddy who got in to a gun buying craze in the mid 80's and ended up with about a dozen guns, all high-end......and not one has been fired. Not one!
I can't recall all of them but I know he has a Colt Gold Cup and a Mustang. I asked him last week what it would take to get the Mustang and he said "well, I paid a couple hundred for it, so....".
I may be buying a Gold Cup and Mustang!
 
Just just love elitist gun snobbery anti-2nd Amendment bluster. So if we don't strive to your expectations, then we don't deserve to own guns? Wow. Luckily you don't make the laws.

Please see my 2nd post (60), I'm am in no way anti 2nd amendment!!!
 
I know alot of these people!!!

Just the other day I was talking to a friend about the brand new .270 he has in his gun cabinet. He said he's had it for five years and it's never fired a shot. I had to ask: why?. He got it because a bunch of his other friends had one, but he couldn't bring himself to hunt with anything but his old Winchester 94 .30-30. A gun which fires seven rounds or less a year...
Every fall he breaks it out, fires five rounds through it at a 10" bullseye at 100yards, then hunts with it. He does this like a ritual...
He and several others that I know, including my own brother, have "nothing-all-that-fancy" guns that have had several birthdays without ever firing a single shot.

There is only one gun I've owned that I never fired. Just recently bought a Traditions .50 muzzle-loader for an incredibly low price. Sold it for a huge profit less than a week later. Never fired it once. The only reason being that I didn't happen to have any powder on hand that week.:cuss:


I don't own a gun that hasn't been fired in at least the last 6 months, much less a count of years!

I could understand if it was something crazy like a one digit serial number ultra rare antique, but even then, I'd have a hard time not putting at least one round through it:evil:

I shoot less than I'd like to, but certainly more than most of my gun friends.
 
There are 4 handguns that I don't shoot because of their age, general condition (esp. accuracy), and poor ballistics. They are an old Colt .38 that was apparently a cop's duty gun and is about 90 yo, and may be shot out. Either that, or as someone recently suggested, it may be the slightly larger .38 S & W instead of a .38 Special. The other is a Colt .32 ACP that is about the same age and is shot out. Both are only good within 25 feet.
There is also a little Colt Jr. .25 ACP that, with its 1.5" barrel is more accurate than the two old guns! Finally, there is a .32-20 revolver, age unknown, that is in 95-98% condition. All that is missing is the box and a tiny bit of blue on the muzzle. Hardest part for that one is finding ammo. Have some, but not much. Neither it nor the .25 have very good ballistics.
As for rifles, no outdoor ranges (w/o membership) around here and no rifles at the only indoor range in the area except for .22's.
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Some people are like that. As inconceivable as it might seem, they are probably not members of firearms enthusiast forums, either. :D

Actually, many gun owners are not enthusiasts. They may buy one for home defense, possibly fire a few rounds to be sure it works, then leave it in a dresser drawer to be forgotten. Or they might have Grandpa's old war trophy "bring-back" in the attic. Look at the number of posts regarding guns in mint or near mint condition. They can only be that way from not being used.
 
I'm very opinionated on this... so I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I believe If you do not actively fire your gun(s) and strive to become an absolute marksman with it (them), you do not deserve to own a gun(s).

And you sir do not fit the quality I deem as "Good Moral Character" as demonstrated by this statement. Please turn in your FOID and all firearms to your local PD within the next 72 hours.

See, this is how crap gets started so knock it the hell off.
 
No flame. I can say that once upon a time while married to a rabid gun-hating liberal I never shot my guns. Thank gawd those days are behind me. Sometimes it's circumstance and not mindset that prevents one from shooting, even though they are gun owners.


liikeaboss
I'm very opinionated on this... so I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I believe If you do not actively fire your gun(s) and strive to become an absolute marksman with it (them), you do not deserve to own a gun(s). A gun is a big responsibility, and it should not be likened to tools you keep in your garage to fix your lawnmower, this is not a even comparison. <SNIP>
 
Here's a thought. Of the people who keep a glass punch/hammer in their car, how many practice breaking their windows, regularly?

You can get a huge increase in home protection just for buying a gun, spending a couple hours to use it, and keeping it in an accessible location. Anything beyond that has greatly decreasing returns. Throwing lead downrange does not change your level of common sense, threat detection, reaction time, minset, your home defense plan, or anything else that matters much.

Honestly, most people who shoot guns regularly do it because they enjoy it. There's nothing more to it.
 
Here's a thought. Of the people who keep a glass punch/hammer in their car, how many practice breaking their windows, regularly?

Again guys respectfully... really? a glass hammer = a firearm ... c'mon.

Throwing lead downrange does not change your level of common sense, threat detection, reaction time, minset, your home defense plan, or anything else that matters much.


I'll give you "common sense" but certain types of competition shooting literally increase ALL of those other attributes.
 
Also can I just take a second to say I am not anti-gun or anti second amendment!!! If my previous statement came off this way please do not misinterpret my message! I was NOT saying people who don't train shouldn't legally be able to own guns. I was simply saying IMHO that why wouldn't they want to train at least once every couple months? If no other reason than for routine maintenance. All I was trying to get across, is that training with your firearm gives you a better chance to eliminate possible threats and prevent potential mishaps with said firearm.

Please read my #60! I feel horrible that you guys think I'm an Anti 2nd amendment crazy person! lol. Honestly I have respect for all in this forum, and As long as one practices safety and common sense with their firearm, It is none of my business how frequently they use / shoot it!
 
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