Plaxico Burress arrest Unconstitutional

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Great article, from the other side of the fence:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122835270947177981.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

New York Giants star receiver Plaxico Burress is facing a mandatory 3½ years in prison and the end of his football career. His crime? Not having a license, which New York City never would have issued him, for the exercise of his constitutional right to bear arms.


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Plaxico Burress is led to his arraignment in Manhattan.
To be sure, Mr. Burress got caught because of what appears to have been stupid and irresponsible behavior connected with the handgun. But he does not face prison for shooting himself. His impending mandatory sentence highlights the unfairness and unconstitutionality of New York City's draconian gun laws.

Mr. Burress had previously had a handgun carry permit issued by Florida, for which he was required to pass a fingerprint-based background check. As a player for the Giants, he moved to Totowa, N.J., where he kept a Glock pistol. And last Friday night, he reportedly went to the Latin Quarter nightclub in midtown Manhattan carrying the loaded gun in his sweatpants. Because New York state permits to possess or carry handguns are not issued to nonresidents, Mr. Burress could not apply for a New York City permit.

At the nightclub, the handgun accidentally discharged, shooting Mr. Burress in the right thigh. He was not seriously injured, but he has been charged with criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree.

It appears that he put the unholstered gun in the waistband of his sweatpants, and when it slipped, he grabbed for it, accidentally hitting the trigger. To make matters worse, according to press accounts, he was seen drinking and may have been consuming alcohol -- which all firearms safety training (including the class he would have been required to take for his Florida permit) absolutely forbids for people handling guns. And of course Mr. Burress's handgun should have been holstered to prevent unintentional movement of the trigger. Fortunately, his negligent discharge did not harm anyone else.

Mr. Burress's behavior was bad. However, Mr. Burress is not facing prosecution for carelessness, but simply for carrying a weapon. This is unjust and perhaps unconstitutional. The legal issues are a bit tangled, but here is the background:

This summer, the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the District's handgun ban, and its ban on use of any firearm for self-defense in the home, violated the Second Amendment, which guarantees the individual right to bear arms. D.C. is a federal enclave, and the Court did not rule whether the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments. But as other cases reach it in the wake of Heller, it will.

The Heller decision did not say that requiring a license to carry a gun was unconstitutional. But in New York State, nonresidents cannot even apply for the licenses to possess or carry a handgun. Unlike most other states, New York refuses to honor carry permits issued by sister states. Most observers believe that the Supreme Court will eventually make state and local governments obey the Second Amendment. If it does, New York's discrimination against nonresidents will probably be ruled unconstitutional.

And then there is the issue of the permitting process for residents. In 40 states, including Connecticut, law-abiding adults are issued permits once they pass a fingerprint-based background check and a safety class. In New Jersey, carry permits are virtually never issued. In New York City, carry permits are issued, but to applicants with some form of political clout rather than on the basis of his or her need for protection.

The Second Amendment might not require New Jersey or New York City to issue as liberally as Connecticut does. But with a population of several million and only a few thousand (consisting mainly of politicians, retired police and celebrities) able to get permits, New York City's licensing process is almost certainly unconstitutional on a number of grounds, including sheer arbitrariness.

Some commentators contend that Plaxico Burress should have hired bodyguards, instead of carrying a gun himself. Mr. Burress might now agree. But people who aren't as wealthy as he is also deserve to be safe, and they don't have the money for bodyguards. New York City needs to regularize its carry permit system so that law-abiding people can protect themselves, especially if their circumstances (such as being a witness to a gang crime) place them at heightened risk.

The Burress case also shows why mandatory sentences are a bad idea. He was careless but had no malign intent. Legislators and mayors like to appear tough by pushing through such draconian laws. Yet the victims are people like Mr. Burress whose conduct may have been improper, but who do not deserve the same sentences meted out to robbers and burglars.

Mr. Kopel is a policy analyst with the Cato Institute, in Washington, D.C., and research director of the Independence Institute, in Golden, Colo.
 
It appears that he put the unholstered gun in the waistband of his sweatpants.
He must think he's both above the law and above the laws of physics. Candidate for poster child for carrying without a holster.

Not only that, my wife, who always merely tolerated guns, now questions whether I should have my Glocks.:banghead:
 
My question is... how can a local (city and/or county) ordinance be classified as a felony, with imprisonment of 3.5-15 years?

Here in Texas, to the best of my knowledge, violation of a municipal ordinances are treated similarly to misdemeanors (fines and/or jail of less than 1 year). If its not in the statewide statutes, you're certainly not going to be locked up as a felon.
 
Let us not forget he entered a drinking establishment right along with the other stupid things he did that night. Shot himself in the leg. Must have been playing with his "pistol" in his pocket...
 
Bushmaster, I agree. This didn't happen because "he put the unholstered gun in the waistband of his sweatpants, and when it slipped, he grabbed for it, accidentally hitting the trigger."

:cuss:

As for the article's argument, there might be a valid defense on constitutional grounds against NYC's de facto ban on handguns, but IMHO the reckless endangerment charge (or whatever you wann call it) is valid. This guy was drinking, in a crowded public establishment, and obviously playing with a loaded pistol with his finger on the trigger, resulting in a negligent discharge. I don't care that he shot himself. Guilty.
 
I think this one will be tough to turn into a positive for us. He carried a gun, "Mexican style," in violation of the local laws, into a bar, while drinking and had a negligent discharge. So many wrongs will be tough to make a right, regardless of the constitutionality of one or more of the laws.
 
He should get a year for just being stupid. Anyone who tries grabing a firearm, let alone a glock, while it is falling, deserves a year, for stupidity, and the same goes for welding equiptment soldering irons knifes, etc. The fact that he had the gun in the club, with no license, was even stupider, "if that's even a word". But I had a license in NYC, for 25 yrs, carried it everyware, there were no real exceptions back pre 94, when I left NY, other than the drinking area or bar thing. But you can't leave a gun in your car in NY, like you can in FL, because in NY, they break into the nice looking cars, unless they are in the Garages. In a Garage, you have about a 50% chance that the guys who work or hang out there are going to go thru your ride, anyway.When I came down to FL, I couldn't believe that folks left loaded guns in their car. That was the exact opposite as NY, when I got mine, we were told, never leave your gun in the car, now the guy who breaks in has both.
 
Did he not also consume alcohol? Did the gun not go off in a public place (with no need)? How are those two points unconstitutional?
 
He should get a year for just being stupid. Anyone who tries grabing a firearm, let alone a glock, while it is falling, deserves a year, for stupidity
I find this worldview to be very distasteful. Stupid should hurt, and in this case it did - he done shot himself. But declaring that the act of trying to catch the gun itself to be worthy of incarceration is just over the top.

What's next? Six months in County for slicing a bagel while holding it in your hand?
 
Lessee....he's carrying a pistol in NJ sans permit - which he doesn't even have the FOID to validate possession. Now he shoots himself in a club in NYC with said pistol - a clear violation of NYC's Sullivan Act as he's negelected to get a NYC carry permit.......Which is not reciprocal with NJ, BTW......Seems the gentleman has suffered a severe case of the "stupids".

A FL CCW isn't recognized by NJ or NYC, let alone an expired one. NJ, his "residence", has a litany of requirements for gun ownership, including a FOID, plus a permit for every handgun.

In the real world, he's screwed.....ala the gentleman whose thru flight was inadvertently terminated at EWR and then promply arrested when declaring his handgun per FAA regs on its next day continuence.....In the "sports world/media world of the NYC area, political power may well take a hand and give him a "pass", just as it seemingly has Jason Williams and others...... >MW
 
Did he not also consume alcohol? Did the gun not go off in a public place (with no need)? How are those two points unconstitutional?

His arrest was for mere possession of the gun. That is unconstitutional.

-T
 
Only the United States Supreme court can judge the constitutionality of the law and it sure appears to me that they have done so.

Wrong, extremely wrong. Everyone who takes an oath to uphold the constitution can and must judge the constitutionality of the laws. Furthermore, every citizen can judge the constitutionality of the laws. We hold the SCOTUS as the final arbiter, but the DA should have chosen not to file charges, the arraingment judge should have thrown the case out, the grand jury should have refused to indict, the governor could pardon.
 
The "sheer arbitrariness" of NY's issue policy violates the "equal protection" clause as well as the 2nd Amendment.
Remarkably balanced observations.
 
Did he not also consume alcohol? Did the gun not go off in a public place (with no need)? How are those two points unconstitutional?

Those are somewhat moot points. The issue being discussed here (read: unconstitutional) is not whether he broke the law or not. I don't think anyone here thinks he was innocent. He'll likely be found guilty, but he is also in a prime situation to challenge the constitutionality of at least one of the charges; that being the mandatory licensing of a right.

I say he's in the prime situation because he will have A LOT of free time on his hands, nothing to lose, and is independently wealthy. These are requirements if someone is going to spend the time, money, and effort needed to take a case to the SCOTUS.

If it got that far, he wouldn't be arguing that he was innocent; that's not what the Supreme Court does anyway.
 
Wrong, extremely wrong. Everyone who takes an oath to uphold the constitution can and must judge the constitutionality of the laws. Furthermore, every citizen can judge the constitutionality of the laws. We hold the SCOTUS as the final arbiter...

Right. Poor choice of words on my part.

However, SCOTUS has said that the prohibition of concealed carry has been upheld under the U.S. constitution.
 
Did he not also consume alcohol? Did the gun not go off in a public place (with no need)? How are those two points unconstitutional?

But he isnt charged with "unlawful discharge of a firearm" or "possession of a firearm while intoxicated" (or the equivalent in that jurisdiction).

I agree that his actions were stupid and dangerous, but he should not be punished for something for which he wasnt charged.
 
NH law

Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit.....Violation level offense for 1st offense, misdemeanor for 2ond. Wow...three and 1/2 YEARS for that in NY???? There may be more like diorderly conduct, discharging a firearm in the compact area, endangering the safety and welfare of others, the drinking aspect of it, etc.

Besides.......who wears sweatpants to a nightclub??? THAT'S the part that should be against the law!!!!:cool:
 
However, SCOTUS has said that the prohibition of concealed carry has been upheld under the U.S. constitution

Not correct, SCOTUS said that Heller should not be construed as a challenge to existing CCW law.

Heller was about 2 matters only, the constitutionality of banning an entire single class of firearms and mandatory storage requirements with a small sideline on physical movement of a firearm in a legal place of ownership.

Thats it, nothing else, narrow ruling on the issues raised before them.

The case (Heller) before the SC had no other parameters and therefore no other discussions, for example they did not rule on what "reasonable regulation" actually means nor did they explain what level of scrutiny is required nor did they rule on incorporation. All yet to be thrashed out in Chicago, California (Nordyke) etc.

In theory, CCW may well be unconstitutional but until a case directly related to that comes before them the SC will not rule on it.
 
he's carrying a pistol in NJ sans permit

No one can prove the handgun was ever carried in violation in NJ. Attempting to charge someone with a crime from newspaper articles is poor law. Mear possession in NJ without a FID card is legal if that person is not prohibited under NJ law and aquired the handgun legally in his former state of residence.

In reality, few ever get jail time for a first offense with no prior record.

As far as a finding that the laws are unconstitutional, that's a dream. One can't complain that you were denied a permit when you didn't apply. In any case, as a non-resident, NY would never approve one.
 
... he moved to Totowa, N.J., where he kept a Glock pistol. And last Friday night, he reportedly went to the Latin Quarter nightclub in midtown Manhattan carrying the loaded gun in his sweatpants.

It appears that he put the unholstered gun in the waistband of his sweatpants, and when it slipped, he grabbed for it, accidentally hitting the trigger.

Hindsight is always 20-20, but someone needs to write a book explaining the do's and do not’s when it comes to Glock pistols. This is not to say I blame the gun because of its owner's ignorance, But Gaston Glock never, ever, expected that his pistol would be carried in such a manner.

It is also sad that someone could go through a CCW training course and never pick up some insights concerning casual carry techniques.
 
The bottom line is he willingly and in full knowledge of the Law, Broke The Law. I will not argue the fact that the law is unconstitutional. That is not the particular of this case. Making him a martyr for the cause of Firearms Rights in not justified in this case.
As a resident of Minnesota we had a horrid system to Legally carry a firearm. It was finally changed by hard work and a lot of Lobbying and voting by Law abiding firearms owners. Until the law changed I had to abide the law like everyone else. To break the law would have risked my ability to own any firearm what so ever. I advocated and voted for the change and now have the privilege to own and if I choose carry a firearm at MY discretion not the governments.
Why should I have any pity for a celebrity of any kind who chooses to think the law does not apply to them?
Be a citizen, and act like a citizen or have the rights and privileges of citizenship removed.
 
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