Pocket pistol! Reliabilty is my first choice!!

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I addressed this in the post above... As I wrote my post, I was considering how the gun is smaller than all the other doublestack subcompacts I have previously owned, and strangely enough, I shoot the smaller Shield better and prefer the Shield over them... At that point, I forgot about the Pm9 I previously had - as I never liked the gun and it always sat in the safe...
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I hope it's smaller than "äll the other doublestack compacts I have previously owned" since it is a single stack weapon. My Kahr CM9 and CW9 have both been 100% and have amazingly light recoil for their size.
 
I like the 9mm small Kahr with the safety. BG380 is good too.

However I don't like pocket carry. I've tried it. But youre at a disadvantage while sitting and then you have a pistol pointed at whoever is across from you at a restaurant and not aimed at the ground like God intended.

Nemesis is a great holster for pocket carry. Now that im out of the pocket carry game im not saying its wrong for everyone all the time.

Guess a pocketed pistol is hard for a BG to grab but may be hard for you to grab too.

I don't consider the Shield a pocket pistol.

Watch your lane.
 
No, I have not worn out any pants pockets with the G26. It goes in a DeSantis Nemesis . At this point I'll say I recommend a pocket holster for any pistol that will be carried in this manner.
 
Not sure why so many people compare the sheild to a cm/pm9 kahr. Those 2 kahrs are simply lighter and smaller. They do make better pocket pistols than most other small 9mm. I also have a cw 9 that is the same weight as the sheild and as close to it in size as any. Recoil on it is rather mind. Not much difference in it than my glock. But like the shield the cw is not a likely pocket pistol and better iwb. I have 2150 rounds fired thru my 2 kahrs with zero problems.

All so picked up a new series taurus 738 tcp that also seems be proveing be a great mini sized pistol. Seems to shoot everthing I have feed it. Only 150 rounds down so far. But I also have to say in 43 years of shooting I have not owned a bad pistol. I had to send a new p-11 in for some tlc and it came back just a fine dependable pistol too.
 
I notice that some of the Shield owners are stuck on the Shields softer recoil. If that is to imply that the PM/CM 9's are punishing to shoot, that is simply not the case.

The Kahrs for their size are a pleasure to shoot and are surprisingly soft shooters.
 
The Kahrs for their size are a pleasure to shoot and are surprisingly soft shooters.
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I second that. I don't shoot my PM9 often, but when I do I am surprised every time at the soft recoil from that little gun. I don't think a finer 9mm has been made at that same size.

The Diamondback DB9 looks awfully attractive, but I hear so many negative things I'm scared to blow $400 on one.
 
Like other posters I've had nothing but good things to say about my CM9. The recoil is suprisingly modest but I would not call it my favorite range gun.

My Glock 19, Sig P228, Ruger MKII and 1911's are my favorite range guns.
 
Thanks!

Guys, I'm a little overwhelmed by the positive remarks in regards to the, pm/cm line of kahrs. I owned a CW and it was the biggest hunk of junk IMO. No metal tabs for the slide to ride on, and the take down is crap too.
Anyone have these problems with the other kahrs.
 
I've got a P3at that has seen more pocket lint than a chinese garmant worker. It's been wet from diving in a pool oops,sweat on,during long motorcycle road trips and thrown across and bounced on a garage floor three or four times when it flipped out of my MC jacket pocket when I tried to put it on. I have to admit I treat this pistol like,cough (not very well). I'm amazed that his little gun still goes bang everytime I ask it do. People can say what they want about the little P3at. They have there opinion and I definately have mine, and mine is from personal experience. Not what there uncle joe heard on the net.
 
Roadking Rider said:
I've got a P3at that has seen more pocket lint than a chinese garmant worker. It's been wet from diving in a pool oops,sweat on,during long motorcycle road trips and thrown across and bounced on a garage floor three or four times when it flipped out of my MC jacket pocket when I tried to put it on. I have to admit I treat this pistol like,cough (not very well). I'm amazed that his little gun still goes bang everytime I ask it do. People can say what they want about the little P3at. They have there opinion and I definately have mine, and mine is from personal experience. Not what there uncle joe heard on the net.
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If I read the original post correctly I think he wants a 9mm pocket pistol.
 
Well there ain't many 9mm "pocket" pistols out there pf-9, liter than the cm/pm series and is a bit snappier because of the 12oz weight. Or the small 9mm kahrs. Diamondback but they are still more undependible than any other. Also a few 2 shooters. Thats about it unless pants have jumbo pockets.
 
Yes your right. My bad. It just that every time I hear pocket pistol I think .380 as I've always felt that even my PM9 is not a true pocket pistol. I wear mine on my hip. The only pistol I've ever really felt good about carrying in my pocket comfortably and move about the way I'd like is the P3at.
 
I owned a CW and it was the biggest hunk of junk IMO. No metal tabs for the slide to ride on, and the take down is crap too.
Anyone have these problems with the other kahrs.
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So what was the problem?

The metal "tabs" are the internal rails toward the front of the frame. Done right the kahr take down is exceedingly easy.
 
I found the Shield to be slightly too large for front pocket carry. While i'm not a fan of the trigger i think the Ruger LC9 is the most reliable pocket 9 based on consensus and experience. There are countless accounts of Khar and Kelteks being very unreliable.
 
I carry a CM9 in my pocket, and I have found that if you wear jeans, and don't have any "vanity issues":D The Faded Glory Wal-Mart carpenter jeans have the biggest, most gun hiding pockets of any pants I've had on. I have carried my CW9 in these pockets too.
 
I carry a CM9 in a Nemesis Superfly for pocket carry.

I just came back from the range after firing another 50 rounds of self defense hollow point ammo with no FTF or FTE issues. The CM9 is what I am looking for in a reliable concealed carry firearm.
 
I've owned the PM9 and found it to be very reliable and accurate. Having said that there was nothing about it that caused me to want to keep it. I don't care for pocket carry but do so fairly frequently. The PM9 was a little large for that but so is my choice. I do carry in a Kangaroo Carry holster frequently and it will handle a medium sized handgun effectively. It's also faster to retrieve the handgun than a pocket pistol. I guess the main reason I didn't keep my PM9 was because it was a little too big for the pocket and if I wanted to carry on the waist (IWB or OWB) I could just as easily carry my German HK P2000sk 9mm. It is my preferred 9mm carry. As a backup throw in the pocket gun, with reliability my determining factor, this is my choice.
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If I was to go pocket gun I would look hard at the Sig P238. But you said you carry a Glock 26, that is to me more an IWB gun. I currently carry the Ruger LC8 when I feel a smaller gun is adequate (I'm beginning to wonder more and more after Aurora).

As far as the Shield, I haven't yet seen it, but everyone I've talked claims it's a tad bigger than the LC9. My only question with the Shield is I don't like the M & P trigger, especially with no safety. In a "pocket gun" you either want a safety or a pretty long DA trigger. We had an incident with an M & P last week in Detroit with an accidental Police incidental discharge. I can't imagine a no safety with that trigger in a pocket.

I'm always impressed by Kahrs in the shop but my customers either love them or hate them. They are tight guns, I suspect they require more break in than many owners are use too.
 
burke I allways felt some owners need more brake-in not the pistols. I bought a cw9 from a guys that said it would not shoot a mag full with out problems, just junk. Its been great for me. Now it was "used" . Bought a cm9 new and from round one it was also great. Any how glad some have problems and think there not good and that allows other to pick up good deals on pistols that we can enjoy shooting. haha
 
Yesterday, I shot another 100 rds.through my Kahr CM9, (wouldn't carry ANY gun without shooting 200-300 rds. through it to test-break in- for reliability,error free.). No problems, and hand is just fine today, recoil is snappy, but very tolerable. However, if "reliability" is your major concern, go with some of the S&W's revolvers mentioned before, or the best IMHO, the Ruger KLCR .357mag. Covers everything you want, and more reliable than most, if not all, autos. Take care and be safe.
 
My Wife and I both have CW9 KAHR, and neither of us have any type of problem with them. I carry mine every day usually pocket carry. I put Crimson Trace Lazer`s on them and we like the CW9`s even more. I really like the trigger`s on ours. And we find them pleasent to shoot, and we shoot them alot. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken
 
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