Pointy bullets and the 30-30

[jimmyraythomason]

I love Mythbusters too. They do prove that something CAN happen by doing it under controlled circumstances. The problem is that they can't prove that something didn't or can't happen only that THEY couldn't do/repeat it. So even if Mythbusters can't make it happen doesn't prove that it is impossible.

 

[ImARugerFan]

What is the point of this discussion now that we have leverevolutions available?

 

[R.W.Dale]

What is the point of this discussion now that we have leverevolutions available?

Because amongst spizter .30 cal bullets the 160grn evolution projectile still has a fairly low BC

that and because it weighs 160 grains the velocity just isn't there compared to a 125grn B tip

 

[AKElroy]

"the bullet exited the same side that he shot her on."

This is very common with plastic tip rounds. I once had a leverevolution round hit doe shoulder, make mince meat of the heart & lungs, bounce of the off-side shoulder, fly back STRAIGHT DOWN THE BORE of my mod 94. Next round actually FIRED both projectiles without a KB, and got a nice double on a beautiful 280 B&C central Texas buck & his 140 lb doe companion for the freezer.

 

[ChefJeff1]

Well, after reading around and what not, I'll play around with my remington and FTX bullets but I have a funny feeling I'll end up with the Nosler 170 gr. Round nose partition.

 

[T.R.]

This pointy bullet was designed by Sierra as a varmint bullet for 30-06 and .308 but at 30-30 velocity it behaves like a good big game bullet. That is, it opens up fast to form a mushroom shape but holds itself together for deep penetration.

This is my favorite antelope load for shots of approx 225 yards or so. Very accurate and one shot drop-in-their-tracks performance!!

TR

 

[PT1911]

so you want a round that is ballistically different than your follow up shots? no thanks...

 

[R.W.Dale]

so you want a round that is ballistically different than your follow up shots? no thanks...

If you can actually make a follow up shot I'll guarantee you the range is close enough for the difference in trajectory to not matter.

Successful follow ups are rare indeed at ranges beyond 150yds

 

[PT1911]

If you can actually make a follow up shot I'll guarantee you the range is close enough for the difference in trajectory to not matter.

Successful follow ups are rare indeed at ranges beyond 150yds

and I understand that.. really, but then again, I dont see an advantage to a "pointy" bullet at that range either (30-30) unless of course it is the Leverevolutions in which case, why only load one of them? loading 2 separate types of ammunition in a gun (other than a shotgun) and heading out to hunt seems like a bad idea. You find what your gun shoots best and that is what you shoot.... choose the gun for your application, choose the ammo for that gun and go hunting.

I can only see using a variety of ammo in a shotgun, perhaps a double loaded with a slug and shot. or a pump with a slug in the tube and buck to follow... but why would someone load a shotgun with several different types of slugs or multiple loads of buck?

 

[T.R.]

Like I stated earlier, one shot kill. No need for second or third shot.

For the hunter who wants to STRETCH his shots with 30-30 carbine, this is the load I recommend. It's not difficult to insert another cartridge from the open action.

TR

 

[PT1911]

Like I stated earlier, one shot kill. No need for second or third shot.

For the hunter who wants to STRETCH his shots with 30-30 carbine, this is the load I recommend. It's not difficult to insert another cartridge from the open action.

I agree with that statement as well.. there shouldnt be a need for a second shot if you chose your first shot appropriately.. but that is a single shot v. repeater argument.. not multiple load argument.

the most I can agree with is carrying a couple if these "pointy" bullets in your pocket and throwing one in the chamber with a shoulder and pray shot (longer than your comfort with the gun or load.) When I hunt I know what sort of shots I am going to be presented with.. there is no need for me to anticipate a 150-200 yard shot with my 30-30, or I would take my .270 instead.

 

[scythefwd]

Why worry about the follow up shot? Use a heavier/slower pointy and a lighter/faster round nose. The poi shouldn't be that much off.

 

[Ske1etor]

Just buy a rifle chambered in .308 Win. End of discussion.

 

[scythefwd]

Ske1etor, a 400y rifle is a bit over zealous when hunting at 75y.

 

[chevyforlife21]

2 things: the ballistics would be different causing that one round to be a few inches higher then all the flat nosed bullets. and like others have said if you mix up the rounds then thats gonna blow up your gun .

 

[Ske1etor]

Hunting at 75 yards, any 30 caliber pointy bullet is over zealous.

At 75 yards, the round nose bullets perform brilliantly on deer. That is not the problem here. Here, he is trying to stretch the performance of a rifle that was designed around a brush bullet.

Instead of stretching the performance of the round, why not just go up to the next round?