Police shooting, people going nuts over dead idiot.

[ForeignDude]

Doesn't the NYPD carry GLOCKS with the 12-lb trigger?

If so, I'm amazed they hit anything at all.

 

[woodybrighton]

very sad all round.
the victim was mentally ill had'nt taken his medication so wouldn't be in a normal frame of mine probably highly delusional very difficult to deal with such people. Even if no threat of weapons.
Police did the only rational thing make threats follow through by making threating movements.
policemen are going to suffer knowing they shot an ill rather than dangerous person and the whole internal affairs thing

 

[jeep-2]

maybe one of the cops should be armed with a million candle power spotlight at night and they could see what they are shooting at and at the same time spin the guys eye balls around so he couldn't see them if he had a gun


in the 30s-40s the cops could plant a gun on anyone they shot, now maybe they can just plant a hair brush lol.

 

[Geno]

Twenty shots were fired; Coppin was struck eight times, Kelly said.

Wait a minute. That can't be true!

 

[cpttango30]

I believe that this should be ruled a bad shoot. Because they (The Police) assumed he had a gun when hs said he had a gun correct? They should have assumed he did not have a gun because of all the gun control laws in NYC. So there for not being a prior criminal the police should have known that the suspect did not have a gun because that would have been illegal and wrong.
(Why not use there own tactics on them?)







For the record I do not feel this way. If you are yelling I have a gun and you then point something at the police i expect them to shoot.

 

[P95loser]

In a situation like this it might have been possible to use non-lethal tactics, however if they think a gun is trained on them, then they would think once he was tased he would fire.

 

[Colt]

An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday, the medical examiner's office said.

Tax dollars well spent.

I wonder if they'll try to get blood chemistry to determine if he'd been off his meds. Not that it should matter, but I bet the family is considering all their legal options.

 

[Sistema1927]

This is a tragedy all the way around and I feel sad for all those involved.

 

[DKSuddeth]

with the record of the NYPD over the last 10 years, are you really that surprised?

 

[StuckInMA]

Bystander Dyshawn Gibson described Monday's shooting to CNN affiliate WABC-TV. "He dropped the brush," Gibson said. "He put his hands up. Police just started firing."

Maybe I'm just naive but I can't see them opening fire on the kid if he dropped the brush and put his hands up.

 

[Mr White]

I saw Sharpton's name and quit reading. For an anti racist, he will turn it into a race issue.

My thought exactly. As soon as Sharpton adds his name and face to a 'cause' it loses any credibility it may have had.

 

[30 cal slob]

quick, somebody give Al Sharpton a brush.

 

[RKBABob]

1. His own mother was scared enough to call 911.
2. The 911 operator heard him say "I've got a gun!"
3. He placed an object under his shirt, with the intent of claiming he was armed.
4. He brandished a knife in the officers' presence.
5. He screamed "I've got a gun!" to the officers.
6. He pointed an object at the police, claiming it was a gun.
7. He continued to approach officers, who undoubtedly had their pistols drawn.

Gee... I don't know how the officers could have possibly come to the conclusion that he was dangerous!

How sad, really. He turned out not to be a dangerous person with a gun, but just a peace-loving crazy
person who enjoys terrifying people with a knife.

He was just mentally ill and off his medication...
Everyone knows mentally ill people aren't dangerous!

 

[ilbob]

Cops have guns. You threaten them. They will use them. End of story.

I am always amazed at people who call the cops because they think force will need to be used on their baby, then cannot understand why the cops come and use force, since that is what they are for. Law enforcement. If your baby needs prayer, call for a priest.

People of the world. This is the way it works. If you think force is needed to handle a situation - go ahead and call 911. However, keep in mind that once you do so, you will lose whatever vestige of control you may have over the situation. The cops that come do not know your baby is just kidding about having a gun under his shirt.

It is not the cops' fault that your baby is not acting rationally.

It is not the cops' fault that they do not have ESP or whatever 6th sense it would take for them to know that your baby is armed only with a hairbrush.

I can understand in a limited way her grief and lashing out though. Very few mothers want to admit their baby is some kind of dangerous lunatic.

 

[ilbob]

He turned out not to be a dangerous person with a gun

He turned out to be a dangerous person without a gun.

 

[S-K]

I am always amazed at people who call the cops because they think force will need to be used on their baby, then cannot understand why the cops come and use force, since that is what they are for. Law enforcement. If your baby needs prayer, call for a priest.

I concur.

I feel for the mother for the loss of her son. I feel for her son being sick.

However, I also feel for NYPD in this situation, because now there are all those officers coping with the fact that they shot a kid with a hairbrush. No matter how right you were, that's not easy to deal with. Taking a person's life, regardless the circumstances, I cannot fathom to be a small matter.

 

[RLsnow]

i think the police officers will be a bit sad about this whole thing, even though they were in the right...

and the mother too, cant be easy loosing a son like that.

 

[KelTecian]

40% accuracy is above the national average for police shootings...mostly because police officers empty the mags in their weapons even if they arent sure why another officer is shooting or what at sometimes. Its called sympathy shooting.

 

[Officers'Wife]

OK,

Guy with a hairbrush announces to armed men he has a firearm. They take him at his word and respond accordingly. Oh well, have the coroner mark the death cert premediated suicide and move on.

Then again, had a group of civilians in the same situation expended that many rounds there would have been a murder indictment and most likely a conviction.

In short, IMHO the police acted wisely, they were not wrong the law is.

Selena

 

[BridgeWalker]

Well, strik one (more) against the argument that banning handguns will prevent suicide. Don't have a gun? Want to die a nice quick death by gunfire? Just use the cops'. Too bad those guys have to live with the aftermath of having been used as an instrument of suicide.

 

[silverlance]

Um..

Am I the only one who thinks that this would have been a PERFECT "less-lethal" munitions scenario? Bean bag, rubber baton, would have been perfect. Or those pepper ball rounds that were touted so much after 9/11.

I'm not entirely sorry that the guy got killed. It's very hard to deal with psychotic.

 

[Cosmoline]

40% hit ratio? Time for the NYPD to hit the range.

That's very typical these days. The amount of training isn't so much the problem, as the type of training. The emphasis seems to be on shooting posture and presentation, rather than on hitting bullseyes as it was in the old days. They take the proper stance and blast away.

 

[realmswalker]

Every time there is a police shooting someone comments on the accuracy ratio.

If you have been in a shooting, feel free to comment.

But if the only thing you have ever shot is paper or animals, do you really have ANY idea how well you would shoot in a high stress situation like that?

Now granted most LEO's are not gun people, and that's no excuse. But like I said unless you've been in it, there is no way possible you can say you would shoot better.

 

[Phil DeGraves]

"Am I the only one who thinks that this would have been a PERFECT "less-lethal" munitions scenario? Bean bag, rubber baton, would have been perfect."

If the BG says he has a gun, and he does in fact present a knife they CAN see, then it is a lethal force situation, not a "Less-Lethal". You don't bring a TASER to a gunfight! When are people going to wise up about this? If deadly force is justified, then deadly force gets used! If they start using LessLethal for situations in which deadly force should be used, two things will happen.
1. Officers will get killed.
2. Every truly good shoot will be examined under a microscope and second guessed by people who would say "They could have used LessLethal force."
Those people second guessing were not there and have no right to judge the actions of the others. Same thing goes with hit ratios. The primary concern with shooting at the range is "HIT THE TARGET!" The primary concern when you are in a confrontation is "DON'T GET SHOT!"
The things we do to "NOT GET SHOT" are detrimental to the application of marksmanship fundamentals. 40% is actually a pretty good hit ratio for an actual armed confrontation when people are moving and you are watching out for non-combabtants in the area.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

The only way they would have been satisfied was if one of the LEOs had taken a round or two before opening fire. On second thought, they probably would be saying that he was just trying to defend himself.