Poll- should law abiding citizens be allowed to own NFA weapons,a.p. ammo etc?

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Ah yes, the old canard of 'activist judges' legislating from the bench. So if you believe that, then it should logically follow that you think the states shouldn't be bound by the BoR and should be free to legislate in derogation of rights like free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion? Or is it just an inconsistent position where some kind of legislating from the bench is okey-dokey? Please explain. The first Amendment states "Congress shall make no law...". It doesn't mention laws made by the states. And the 14th Amendment speaks of "privileges and immunities", not "rights".
You are right about the First Amendment. Prior to the invention of incorporation doctrine, no one would have ever thought the Federal Government had any authority to regulate the States with regard to religion. In fact, many States even had official religious denominations. As for the Fourteenth Amendment, it has been the victim of judicial activism too. What Section 1 does is place a few clear cut restrictions on the States, i.e., 1) it establishes who's a citizen, 2) it reaffirms Article IV, Section 2 of the US Constitution, and 3) It requires that States be held to a due process requirement in line with due process requirements restricting the Federal Government. The Fourth thing it clearly does is require States to treat all of their citizens equally under the law. All other claims deriving from the Fourteenth Amendment are smoke and mirrors, similar to what we see being done with the commerce clause.
Seems clear to me, but maybe you can explain how the extension of the rights enumerated in the first amendment to the states via the 14th Amendment was not judicial activism. Or is it just your view that the states can and should be able to restrict the rights in the BoR?
The States are far more restricted by the Constitutional requirement to provide their citizens with a republican form of government than they are by the First Amendment, which, as you so smartly point out, makes mention only of Congress's limits. There is a certain minimum of liberty and rights recognition required for a republican form of government, however. Fleshing this out only requires reference to history and well established political science definitions. No activism required here. It is enough that words have meaning. Stifling free political speech is not only inconsistent with a republic, it is antithetical to it, i.e., this is a no brainer.
If the meaning of the Constitution is so clear, then please explain why the founding fathers chose to create a government with a judicial branch and a Supreme Court to decide questions and cases arising under the Constitution. Why did they even bother with Article III; I mean, if its so clear, who needs a court to interpret the Constitution?
Interpreting is one thing. Manufacturing meaning that never was is quite another. Tools of interpretation are two fold, 1) original intent, and 2) strict construction. The latter means that our understanding of the various delegations of power to the Federal Government is to be narrowing tailored so as not to make meaningless the Tenth Amendment.
I submit that its not so clear and while you think you know what terms in the Constitution means, so do a lot of people who have very different views.
What is important is not what any individual thinks it means, but what was intended, and what it clearly says, all the while keeping the words of the Tenth Amendment in mind, because, remember, the Tenth Amendment is an amendment to the Constitution, and is therefore not on any equal footing with it, but is the ruler against which all interpretations of it must be made.
As a perfect example, one only needs to look to the confirmation hearings of Judge Alito. Alito received a lot of scorn for his opinion in Rybar both by some members of the Senate, and by many people in the public who strongly thought that machineguns were obviously something that should be able to be controlled by congress via the commerce clause. You and I probably share the opinion that their view is wrong, but they nonetheless feel as strongly about their position as we do about ours, so there are obviously valid disagreements about the terms of the constitution and their interpretation. I looked over my copy of the Constitution again last night, and I still haven't found the section where it names "The Real Hawkeye" or "MG shaggy" as the final arbiter of constitutional questions, so I'll have to stick with what it says in Art. III and continue to believe the SCOTUS has that power.
As I said, it is not you or I, but the framers that matter. Any correct interpretation of the Constitution will be in accord with original intent using a strict construction, as defined above. Since I possess the same standard intended by the Constitution's framers, I can be confident that I am correct in its interpretation. To the extent, however, the Supreme Court deviates from the standard by which the Constitution was intended to be interpreted, to that extent they are acting despotically, and should be removed, tried and hung.
OK, so if its your belief that the government has really been usurped by a cabal of activist judges and self-serving legislators, I have to ask (especially in light of your quote from Hamilton) why are you sitting there at your computer instead of taking Hamilton's advice and taking up arms against the government?
It's already been tried, and failed. Hamilton's solution didn't work as he had hoped it would. We are now subjects. Government by the consent of the governed is a distant memory.
If you really believe that, why do you continue to pay taxes and financially support what you must believe to be a rogue government? Why do you obey the laws of a rogue government?
Because if I do not, they will come to my home with black masks and assault rifles and kill me. Acting alone, I stand no chance of winning against such odds, so I obey their dictates and I pay my taxes. Might may not make right, but sometimes it's hard to resist still the same.
 
I could, more than likely, have a LSC ready within two to three hours at most. Crude, yes. Effective, though, going by literature on them.

I dont doubt you could make an explosive, maybe even work out a delivery meathod, given enough time. but even then your risking the irony that some idiot could charge you for a weapons violation if you manage to save the day.
 
I'd dare ask how many of us could, within the hour, put our hands on a weapon capable of stopping so much as an up-armored truck?
If not for prohibitions, I'd have one in my closet right now available in seconds.

NFA laws & regulations have essentially eliminated the ability to own such weapons by putting a $200 tax per round on suitable ammunition.

Hence the purpose of RKBA: our enemies, be they foreign powers or domestic nutcases, CAN obtain/build such weapons ... yet by restrictions we cannot prepare for such cases. Because of stupid arguments like "we can't risk neonazis/islamoradicals/sociopaths getting their hands on such weapons", the rest of us are disarmed - but then we are effectively disarmed when our enemies do manage to smuggle/steal/build such weapons, and then we are powerless against them.

So: precisely because of the possibility of having to "stop so much as an up-armored truck" with weapons obtained "within the hour" we DO have a 2nd Amendment whereby I should be able to have a Barrett 25mm in my closet or trunk, and a modern cartdridge-based 2" cannon decorating my front lawn - with reasonable quantities of suitable explosive ammunition - both of which could be pressed into service on short notice.
 
I think the States should, and must, be able to restrict the rights in the BOR.
Our Founding Fathers created this country precisely to protect those rights. Without those enumerated rights, and un-enumerated rights as well, there really isn't much point in having this kind of country.

People should be held accountable for the consequences of exercising those rights, certainly. Thing is: it's not that it's illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded theater, it's that you're responsible for all the damage & injuries suffered if you do and there wasn't. Likewise for weapons: it's not whether I'm towing a 2" caliber cannon-like gun behind my truck, it's whether I use it to, say, stop the maniac who is crushing cars on the freeway with a stolen tank.
 
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I was trying to make the point that no one has the authority to decide what types of weapons I'm "allowed" to own.

Molon Labe, if you're still reading, I think myself, Hawkeye, and MGshaggy have answered your question many times over.
 
The States are far more restricted by the Constitutional requirement to provide their citizens with a republican form of government than they are by the First Amendment, which, as you so smartly point out, makes mention only of Congress's limits. There is a certain minimum of liberty and rights recognition required for a republican form of government, however. Fleshing this out only requires reference to history and well established political science definitions. No activism required here. It is enough that words have meaning. Stifling free political speech is not only inconsistent with a republic, it is antithetical to it, i.e., this is a no brainer.

Oh I agree with you that words have meaning, but to the extent you think its ok to infer rights that aren't specifically spelled out, I think you're being inconsistant. The guarantee of a republican form of government in Art. IV, sect. 4 does not explicitly state any protection for free speech, religion, assembly, etc. so in 'fleshing this out' and referring to history and well established political science definitions (BTW, "well established" when and by whom?) you are inferring rights where there are none specifically enumerated and engaging in the exact same kind of legal interpretation and creation of rights you rail against. As you said, "The Constitution's meaning is clear" but then you go on and want to infer rights by fleshing out, referring to history and "well established" political science definitions, to manufacture meanings rather than relying on the actual written text of the document.

Interpreting is one thing. Manufacturing meaning that never was is quite another. Tools of interpretation are two fold, 1) original intent, and 2) strict construction. The latter means that our understanding of the various delegations of power to the Federal Government is to be narrowing tailored so as not to make meaningless the Tenth Amendment.[/QUOTE]

Umm...excuse me? Understanding the various delegations of power to the federal government in such a manner as to not make the 10 Amendment meaningless? The 10th amendment states; "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." The commerce clause is just such a power delegated to the federal government to regulate commerce between the states. To the extent something may affect commerce between the states, it may be validly argued it is fair game for regulation by congress...unless you want to resort to applying the same sort of overly expansive view of the 10th Amendment as the Court has used in interpreting the commerce clause. Remember, the 10th carves out for the states and the people everything not already delegated to the federal government by the constitution, and the commerce clause was just such a delegation of authority to which the 10th is subject. You can call what has happened with the commerce clause in the last few years a "manufacturing meaning that never was" but its really just an interpretation of the extent of that grant with which you don't agree. And if you think the entire constitution now has to be judged against such an expansive interpretation of the 10th amendment that it excludes and cuts off prior grants of authority, you are "manufacturing meaning" to expand the 10th and restrict Art. I powers no less than the court did in Wickard or Raich (but to expand the commerce clause at the expense of other constitutional provisions). FWIW, I too think the commerce clause has been extremely overused as a basis for federal legislation, but I see it as a valid (however poor) interpretation of the constitution and the commerce clause by the SCOTUS. Its our duty (and failing) as citizens to rectify that by voting in a president and Congress that will appoint and confirm good judges to the SCOTUS.

As I said, it is not you or I, but the framers that matter. Any correct interpretation of the Constitution will be in accord with original intent using a strict construction, as defined above.

The framers also clearly set out the body by which questions arising from the constitution would be decided - the SCOTUS. But yet you state:

Any correct interpretation of the Constitution will be in accord with original intent using a strict construction, as defined above. Since I possess the same standard intended by the Constitution's framers, I can be confident that I am correct in its interpretation.

Geez, talk about circular reasoning. IOW, since you interpret the intent of the framers to intend strict construction, your interpretation is correct? Sorry, but the logic there is almost laughable. Can you show me where in the Constitution the judiciary is required to apply strict construction (or your interpretation of strict construction)? Nevertheless, if you want to apply strict construction, then you must necessarily start with strict construction of Art. III and accept the premise that the SCOTUS has the authority to make those determinations, not you, since the framers clearly set out the role of the judiciary and didn't specify you as the determiner of questions arising from the constitution.
 
Oh I agree with you that words have meaning, but to the extent you think its ok to infer rights that aren't specifically spelled out, I think you're being inconsistant. The guarantee of a republican form of government in Art. IV, sect. 4 does not explicitly state any protection for free speech, religion, assembly, etc. so in 'fleshing this out' and referring to history and well established political science definitions (BTW, "well established" when and by whom?) you are inferring rights where there are none specifically enumerated and engaging in the exact same kind of legal interpretation and creation of rights you rail against. As you said, "The Constitution's meaning is clear" but then you go on and want to infer rights by fleshing out, referring to history and "well established" political science definitions, to manufacture meanings rather than relying on the actual written text of the document.

Umm...excuse me? Understanding the various delegations of power to the federal government in such a manner as to not make the 10 Amendment meaningless? The 10th amendment states; "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." The commerce clause is just such a power delegated to the federal government to regulate commerce between the states. To the extent something may affect commerce between the states, it may be validly argued it is fair game for regulation by congress...unless you want to resort to applying the same sort of overly expansive view of the 10th Amendment as the Court has used in interpreting the commerce clause. Remember, the 10th carves out for the states and the people everything not already delegated to the federal government by the constitution, and the commerce clause was just such a delegation of authority to which the 10th is subject. You can call what has happened with the commerce clause in the last few years a "manufacturing meaning that never was" but its really just an interpretation of the extent of that grant with which you don't agree. And if you think the entire constitution now has to be judged against such an expansive interpretation of the 10th amendment that it excludes and cuts off prior grants of authority, you are "manufacturing meaning" to expand the 10th and restrict Art. I powers no less than the court did in Wickard or Raich (but to expand the commerce clause at the expense of other constitutional provisions). FWIW, I too think the commerce clause has been extremely overused as a basis for federal legislation, but I see it as a valid (however poor) interpretation of the constitution and the commerce clause by the SCOTUS. Its our duty (and failing) as citizens to rectify that by voting in a president and Congress that will appoint and confirm good judges to the SCOTUS.

The framers also clearly set out the body by which questions arising from the constitution would be decided - the SCOTUS.

Geez, talk about circular reasoning. IOW, since you interpret the intent of the framers to intend strict construction, your interpretation is correct? Sorry, but the logic there is almost laughable. Can you show me where in the Constitution the judiciary is required to apply strict construction (or your interpretation of strict construction)? Nevertheless, if you want to apply strict construction, then you must necessarily start with strict construction of Art. III and accept the premise that the SCOTUS has the authority to make those determinations, not you, since the framers clearly set out the role of the judiciary and didn't specify you as the determiner of questions arising from the constitution.
So much to reply to, yet so little time. Going out to see Ultra Violet, starring that Jovovich babe. Will respond to your nonsense later. So, DMF ... I mean MGShaggy, or whatever you're calling yourself lately, I will get back to you.
 
So much to reply to, yet so little time. Going out to see Ultra Violet, starring that Jovovich babe. Will respond to your nonsense later. So, DMF ... I mean MGShaggy, or whatever you're calling yourself lately, I will get back to you.

Take your time, after tonight I'm out until Monday.
 
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Thanks Beerslurpy. I did't know DMF was another poster; I thought he meant something else.
 
I think the States should, and must, be able to restrict the rights in the BOR.

The Bill of Rights does not constrain individuals. Instead, it constrains the exercise of governmental power. The Bill of Rights does this for very good reason.

Your thought opens the door to tyrrany.
 
I'll second that. The Bill of Rights was designed precisely to tell the government "you are specifically NOT allowed to limit these rights". To say "the States should, and must, be able to restrict the rights in the BOR" is to utterly, completely, totally miss the entire point of the Bill of Rights, and even of the Constitution as a whole.
 
Let me make this short and sweet. It is my belief that the purpose behind the 2nd Amendment was to prevent the Government for limiting any form of defense a citizen could mount. As such I think that the limit of one's own pocket book should be the only thing limiting the types of weapons a person may own.
 
Oh I agree with you that words have meaning, but to the extent you think its ok to infer rights that aren't specifically spelled out, I think you're being inconsistant. The guarantee of a republican form of government in Art. IV, sect. 4 does not explicitly state any protection for free speech, religion, assembly, etc. so in 'fleshing this out' and referring to history and well established political science definitions (BTW, "well established" when and by whom?) you are inferring rights where there are none specifically enumerated and engaging in the exact same kind of legal interpretation and creation of rights you rail against.
Not at all. As I said, words have meaning. For example, there was a time in the history of the courts when they would go to great lengths discussing the precise historical meaning of the Constitutional term "direct taxation." A judicial activist, however, would not care to ground himself in the actual relevant historical meaning of that term. He would look to interpret it freed from any objective or relevant anchor at all, so as to benefit his particular preference for Federal taxation power. An originalist/strict constructionist, on the other hand, would be very much interested in what the framers believed they were saying when they used that term. In order to find that out, they would research how the most influential economists of that time used it. In this case it was Adam Smith. He used the term frequently, and clearly expressed its meaning. He was a contemporary of the framers of the Constitution, and it is well known that the framers of the Constitution were well versed in his writings, and in fact used the term in their own writing consistent with Adam Smith's usage, even referring to Smith, therefore this is the meaning attributed, by the originalist/strict constructionist, to the framers, so this is the interpretation they give to it in the Constitution.

See the difference between manufacturing powers that aren't there and merely delving into an analysis of what words meant to the framers of the Constitution? One seeks to make the "interpreter's" will into law, while the other seeks to understand the law that was actually enacted by the framers. One is a despot, while the other is a judge exercising judicial temperament.
As you said, "The Constitution's meaning is clear" but then you go on and want to infer rights by fleshing out, referring to history and "well established" political science definitions, to manufacture meanings rather than relying on the actual written text of the document.
I believe what I actually said was that most of the Constitution's meaning is quite clear. The most word is the key. Some of it may not be clear at first glance, but is certainly knowable by a sincere exploration of the framer's intentions, as I discussed above. This is what an originalist does, at any rate, and at the time of the Founders, originalists were the only kinds of judges there were. It was considered criminal, in fact, to be anything else.
Umm...excuse me? Understanding the various delegations of power to the federal government in such a manner as to not make the 10th Amendment meaningless? The 10th amendment states; "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." The commerce clause is just such a power delegated to the federal government to regulate commerce between the states. To the extent something may affect commerce between the states, it may be validly argued it is fair game for regulation by congress...unless you want to resort to applying the same sort of overly expansive view of the 10th Amendment as the Court has used in interpreting the commerce clause. Remember, the 10th carves out for the states and the people everything not already delegated to the federal government by the constitution, and the commerce clause was just such a delegation of authority to which the 10th is subject.
An interpretation of the commerce clause that would make the Tenth Amendment meaningless would be any interpretation that did not seek to narrowly interpret the commerce clause. An expansive interpretation, i.e., one which goes beyond the actual and necessary meaning of words objectively found in the clause, would mean that the Tenth Amendment reserves, essentially, nothing to the States, when, to the contrary, we know from reading the Founders that quite the opposite was their intention, viz.,

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State." - Federalist No. 45 Madison
You can call what has happened with the commerce clause in the last few years a "manufacturing meaning that never was" but its really just an interpretation of the extent of that grant with which you don't agree.
No, I have distinguished manufacturing law from interpreting it already. There is a difference. Words have meaning.
And if you think the entire constitution now has to be judged against such an expansive interpretation of the 10th amendment that it excludes and cuts off prior grants of authority, you are "manufacturing meaning" to expand the 10th and restrict Art. I powers no less than the court did in Wickard or Raich (but to expand the commerce clause at the expense of other constitutional provisions).
The correct interpretation of the Tenth Amendment requires no particular expansiveness. Simple objectivity and the ability to read basic English will do. If that is not enough, you may look to the writings of its authors, such as Federalist No. 45 provided above.
FWIW, I too think the commerce clause has been extremely overused as a basis for federal legislation, but I see it as a valid (however poor) interpretation of the constitution and the commerce clause by the SCOTUS. Its our duty (and failing) as citizens to rectify that by voting in a president and Congress that will appoint and confirm good judges to the SCOTUS.

The framers also clearly set out the body by which questions arising from the constitution would be decided - the SCOTUS.
Yes, questions in law and equity, however they were not actually given sole charge over the actual interpretation of the Constitution. That would be to establish an aristocracy. No, Congress, our elected representatives, may limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme court with simple legislation to that effect. Congress can, in fact, if it so chose, entirely eliminate all Federal Courts except for the Supreme Court. It could even entirely eliminate the Supreme Court's appellate jurisdiction. So no, you are mistaken on this point as well.
Geez, talk about circular reasoning. IOW, since you interpret the intent of the framers to intend strict construction, your interpretation is correct? Sorry, but the logic there is almost laughable.
I suggest you analyze my logic more carefully, if that is your conclusion. To the logical mind, it makes perfect sense.
Can you show me where in the Constitution the judiciary is required to apply strict construction (or your interpretation of strict construction)?
Yes, by referring to justices as judges it identifies them as persons who will exercise judicial temperament, i.e., a strict adherence to original intent. Any judge who would divorce his rulings from a strict adherence to original intent was considered a criminal, since authentic law only lies in the intent of the law's framers. All else is despotism. Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively on this point.
Nevertheless, if you want to apply strict construction, then you must necessarily start with strict construction of Art. III and accept the premise that the SCOTUS has the authority to make those determinations, not you, since the framers clearly set out the role of the judiciary and didn't specify you as the determiner of questions arising from the constitution.
Not me, nor you, nor the judges, but the original intent of the framers, as I've said from the beginning. All else is despotism.
 
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Thanks Beerslurpy. I did't know DMF was another poster; I thought he meant something else.
Hahahahaha! I never thought of that, but that could very well be interpreted as a rather crude insult. Did you think I was calling you a dumb mo fo? Not at all. I must admit, in fact, that you are obviously very bright. You'd have to be in order to generate arguments justifying your belief system. They cannot come easily. :neener:
 
Hawkeye... Excellent description of Originalist/Strict Constuctionist theory. My first law course last semester was basically just an indoctrination into Ronald Dwarkins liberal "law as integrity" form of activism.
 
Thanks Zen. Hang in there. I know how rough it can be. For some support, join the Federalist Society. I used to attend their meetings a lot, but I don't think I ever officially joined. It's a good organization. They bring in a lot of good speakers. When I was in law school, the Federalist Society brought Mr. Stephen P. Hallbrook, Esq in to speak to us. That was a real eye-opener for me.
 
Thanks Hawkeye I check them out. I was the only Conservative minded person in that class (Philosophy of Law) last semester. I about died when the Professor tried to stuff "Redistributive Justice" down our throats. I just couldn't swallow holding someone liable even when the person can't be proved negligent. Any argument I tried to raise was met with an appeal to emotion to make me sound heartless or assurance I was wrong based on his interpretation of precedent from a case I hadn't heard of.
 
Hawkeye,

I agree completely that the majority of governing authority must be delegated to the State, by people of the State, and for the purpose of governing the people as decided by representation. However, I have a question for you, you being a strict constitutionalist and all. What authority extends to the federal government to regulate the State from becoming all powerful? The constitution extends authority to the federal government for the purpose of regulating trade to and from foreign nations, correct (also in the Commerce Clause)? But the Commerce Clause only applies to interstate travel and commerce, right? So here's a purely theoretical question: A State allows a company to make machine guns and give them away to any citizen of the State who comes to the factory and get them, and each machine gun is implanted with a GPS device that makes the gun completely useless if it leaves the State. Legal? Note that the guns are staying inside the State, the machine guns are not being transported by anyone other than the owner, and the citizens are not buying them, therefore they are not considered "commerce."

Just trying to find the line to which the Commerce Clause doesn't count...
 
Hawkeye,

I agree completely that the majority of governing authority must be delegated to the State, by people of the State, and for the purpose of governing the people as decided by representation. However, I have a question for you, you being a strict constitutionalist and all. What authority extends to the federal government to regulate the State from becoming all powerful?
I am not sure I understand the question. The Founders' main concern was that the Federal Government would seek to become a consolidated central governmental entity, i.e., that it would begin to usurp powers naturally and legally belonging to States, powers never having been delegated to the Federal Government. This is what they feared, because tyranny and totalitarianism is an outgrowth of centralized authority, not decentralized authority such as Federalism established. So, your question, if I am understanding it, doesn't make much sense to me since you seem to see the greatest threat to liberty coming from decentralization of governmental authority, whereas I join the Founders in seeing said threat coming almost exclusively from a central consolidation of governmental power, such as has been steadily and increasingly occurring in our nation since about the time of Reconstruction.
The constitution extends authority to the federal government for the purpose of regulating trade to and from foreign nations, correct (also in the Commerce Clause)? But the Commerce Clause only applies to interstate travel and commerce, right? So here's a purely theoretical question: A State allows a company to make machine guns and give them away to any citizen of the State who comes to the factory and get them, and each machine gun is implanted with a GPS device that makes the gun completely useless if it leaves the State. Legal? Note that the guns are staying inside the State, the machine guns are not being transported by anyone other than the owner, and the citizens are not buying them, therefore they are not considered "commerce."

Just trying to find the line to which the Commerce Clause doesn't count...
Well, that depends on whether or not you believe in the rule of law. The Supreme Court as a body does not (has not for a long time), and would therefore find that your limits are way too restrictive compared to the virtually unlimited power that they read into the commerce clause to Federally regulate every thing and every behavior. If, however, you believe in the rule of law, and not of men, the latter of which being rightly defined as despotism, then you will read the commerce clause as its framers intended, and your examples would indicate that you have already taken the clause's delegation of Federal power way too far.

Your example demonstrates that you believe Congress to have regulatory authority over objects no longer in the stream of commerce, let alone objects no longer in the stream of interstate commerce. Once an item reaches an end user, it can no longer be said to be in the stream of commerce at all. It has become an ordinary piece of private property, completely outside of the jurisdiction of the Federal Government, and can be taken anywhere the owner wishes to take it, whether across State lines or not, so long at it complies with the laws of the State in which he is entering or currently residing. No GPS required, therefore, to make it ok with Federal law ... if you believe in the rule of law, that is.
 
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