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Take me to task over my opinion of the Glock if you like.

I do think it is rather sad though that established manufacturers are resorting to the same methods to market their Glock-knock-offs as Glock used when it was an "upstart."

Glock charges what they charge, because people are willing to pay that amount for an established and field-proven product.

Reliability and simplicity really isn't that hard to "get used to."
 
Ok, it doesn't get a lot of respect: Ruger P89. It's used, cheap and handles really well: mine does. Check how it fits your hand, it fits mine great!
 
I like carrying a polymer gun. I don't abuse my carry piece, but being polymer and stainless, it's nice to know if I sweat just a bit, or get caught out in a rain, I don't have to go running for the oil and clean it down ASAP, it can wait until it's convenient.

I like my 1911, but I actually think my Sigma fits my hand better. The grip is barely wider than the 1911, but shorter (lengthwise, not heightwise). I can reach the mag release with my thumb, in a natural grip, with my Sigma...but not with the 1911. I have to shift the gun in my hand to reach the mag release, although as I get more familiar with the 1911, I just may find there exists an aftermarket part to fix that...
 
Wrap your hand around a SR40c and you won't want to let go. My first poly was a glock 22c, I haven't shot it one time since I bought my SR40c and the glock cost $200 more.
 
Ok, it doesn't get a lot of respect: Ruger P89. It's used, cheap and handles really well: mine does. Check how it fits your hand, it fits mine great!
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Not polymer though. The P95 is largely a polymer rendition of it that I can recommend as a budget piece though. I will that that its less accurate than my M&P, though it did cost a decent amount less (particularly when you factor in the upgrades I've got into the M&P).
 
I don't like the ergos of the Glock either. I went with an XDm 3.8 .40 for my first pistol, and an XDsc .40 as a carry gun because the grip of the XDm was too big for me to conceal. I really like them both except the sights on the XDm, which I am planning on replacing. I am actually more accurate with the XDsc.
 
Take me to task over my opinion of the Glock if you like
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He wasn't taking you to task over your opinion, just how you said it. I'm sure that for some people glocks are great. But i'm also not going to let someone try to force me to use a gun that I've already said that I don't like. I think that almost everyone would agree that if a gun does not fit a person, then they will not practice with it enough to become proficient with it.
 
I first bought a P99, then a Glock.

Both pale in comparison to the Smith and Wesson M&P. All the good features of the other two, none of the bad.
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Not aware of any bad features of the P99 that the M&P "improves" upon. The trigger is certainly vastly better than that of the M&P (unless you had a P99QA, which was Walther's poor attempt at a Glock-style trigger). The P99 fit and finish are much better.

The only thing I know of that some folks find offensive about the P99/PPQ is the mag release, though that is only a training issue. Walther went with that style of release becasue it is abidextrous, does not snag, won't accidentally get depressed in holster, and never requires users with different hand sizes to shift their grip when releasing a mag (can use either forefinger or thumb - which ever is more comfortable).
 
If you are a 1911 guy, the XD is probably going to feel "right" to you.

Did any of the other posts mention the FNP? I hear good things about those too. However, like the SIGPro (2022 or 2340) they have different styles of trigger operation than a 1911.

All the guns mentioned are good quality and dependable shooters. Unless I missed something in one of the previous posts.

I would like to second the previous mentions of glock parts availability and cost (and the factory mags are usually about ten bucks less than the competition). But, if you don't like the feel, then you don't like the feel. There is something to be said for the shooter as the most adaptable tool in the tool box, but there is no reason to buy something you don't want with so many good choices out there.

If you want small size, and a 9mm is OK with you, maybe consider the Kel Tec P11 or PF9. Or the new Ruger that is definitely in no way any sort of copy of the Kel Tec. Not a direct replacement for the 1911, and a bear to actually shoot well, but really light for regular carry.
 
I have an FNP-45. It's a great gun. It's accurate, hols 15 rounds of 45, the grip angle is a lot like a 1911, and it can be carried cocked and locked if you like. It is a big gun though.

If you're thinking 9mm or .40 S&W, check out the FNX-9 and FNX-40. They are a bit smaller and hold a lot of ammo as well.

Good luck.
 
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If that's a concern, take a gander at the Steyr. VERY low bore-axis.
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Steyrs can be kind of picky when it comes to ammo, and the extractors are quirky (mine throws shells straight up half the time). It does have a really low bore axis, though. My M40-A1 has negligible muzzle flip. It shoots like a 9mm.
 
Sig Sauers, Glocks, XD, HK all make excellent polymer frame guns.


I have seen no mention of the Smith and Wesson Sigma. I think it is an underestimated and under appreciated gun. They are very accurate and reliable, however the reason they generate little passion or interest is the horrible trigger pull. It is the one reason you can find them for a song. With some work these can be very good pistols, but sadly they don't come from the factory with a decent trigger pull.
 
Can't stand Glock, qualified Expert or Distinguished Expert for 9 years with it. My poly czoice is different.

CZ SP-01 Phantom.

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Carries very well in a High Noon Down Under holster on a great High Noon Rock Steady gun belt. Under a t-shirt in AZ summer weather with the 16 round mag it worked just fine concealed.

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That's just my opinion, based on personal experience. :)
 
I'm pleased with the XDM 3.8 compact in 9mm I just picked up. Only been to the range once with it, but it sent 100 round down range flawlessly and with plenty reasonable accuracy for how I can shoot. In other words, no problem hitting a bad guy if needed from 15 yards.

After handling and firing a few different pistols in it's class I decided to go with the XDM. I'll try carrying it once I get a holster for it and my permit.

And hey, if in the end I don't like the way it carries, it gives me a good excuse to by another gun!
 
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I have seen no mention of the Smith and Wesson Sigma. I think it is an underestimated and under appreciated gun. They are very accurate and reliable, however the reason they generate little passion or interest is the horrible trigger pull. It is the one reason you can find them for a song. With some work these can be very good pistols, but sadly they don't come from the factory with a decent trigger pull.
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I have two, and I like them, but even with work, to have one and be happy with it, you have to be willing to forgive the trigger. Great carry gun though...excellent ergonomics and accuracy, and reliability equivalent to a glock for half the price.
 
I have lots of handguns of all types. I love my pf9s for cheap, light carry guns, and my glock 20 with wolf barrel, heavy spring and steel rod. I am pretty much swearing off poly guns for future purchases. I keep most of my guns for a long time and they are investments as well as tools/hobbies. Old poly guns are not going to be desireable items.
 
I say go the XD route. I'm sure there are many good choices from Glock, Ruger, S&W, CZ and more. I have the XD9SC and it rides very comfortably in a King Tuk IWB holster. Very accurate, and very reliable. I also put the Powder River trigger kit in it. Makes a big difference, and it's a fun little smithing project as well.
 
I'd say an XD, the sig sp2022, or the FNP-9. I have owned an XD and the sig is my CCW, both are very accurate and fun to shoot. Can't really go wrong with any of the suggestions.
 
I carry a XD compact and sometimes my subcompact XD..... both are great, I have the clipdraw on my subcompact, so I always have it hanging somewhere. :)
 
I carry an XD40 subcompact in a Tommy Theis holster. Very comfy.
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Although I DID just buy a Ruger LC9, so we'll see how that goes as well!
 
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