Possible abduction attempt ...?

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The FRS radios was going to be my suggestion. Clip one on her belt when daughter goes out and tape the mike switch down. Shut it off when back in the house. Consider upgrading the .22 - maybe to a .380. My daughter (5'1" 90lb) learned to shoot with a .38 det spec. But she went to a class and had never fired a gun before. B & W video/security cameras are cheap and small these days and a lot of them come with built-on infra-red. You can get wireless versions for a little more if you don't want to run wire across the yard.
 
We're not letting the girls (well, advising - they are 18 now) go outside without one or both of the big dogs and/or their armed Daddy. I'm checking the yard in the morning (dark) before they go out.

I don't think the radios would help much because our land is so rugged - if they are within radio reach they are within screaming reach.

I'm going to try to get them to take some time to target practice over the xmas break, and try to get them up to a 38 special. They are both strong - they handle hay bales and build fences, etc - and should not have any problem with bigger calibers other than a mental barrier.
 
a good air horn, might be an idea.... and personally, I think your presence is better then arming them.... anxiety, fear, and youth... is a hard ballancing act....by all means, teach them how to shoot, but they might learn, at a more ideal time, then now. we all grew out of our youth, to quickly... dogs and dad, and keeping tuned up, would be my call. Arc-Lite
 
guess my word should have been...when to shoot, not how to shoot....that is a wagon load of responsibility. I sympathize with your position, and one, that you should not, or your family should not...be going threw. Arc-Lite
 
TallPine..

"The girls have a gun at their disposal, but they don't expect to need it a hundred feet from the house."

If no one else has asked yet, just exactly where do they expect to need it?

Not trying to get on you case or anything, but the reason you carry a handgun is that you don't expect trouble, but you are ready. If you expect trouble, you carry the AK or something similar, or plain just don't go there. (the last option is generally not viable on your own farm)
 
I'm a bit late to the party, but a few thoughts.

You mentioned $0.60 per minute to download info on the neighbor's legal issues. Seems cheap insurance/peace of mind to me.

The girls need to vary their schedules. If you are being scoped out for something, a repetitious schedule is a Bad Thing.

Dad might start to make some recce missions around the property and up and down the road. Odd times and armed, of course. With the FRS radios.

No one goes outside unarmed. Preferably in pairs and with Big Bad Doggie in tow.

Might do a world of good to have some very visable shooting time with the girls. Try to make sure the neighbor is watching.

Good luck, and keep us informed.
 
Good question, FPrice, and one which goes beyond this situation.

Not to be facetious, but most folks expect to make it from their bedroom to their kitchen or living room without having to be armed, or maybe even out on the deck or in the yard :) Now me, I choose to carry a sidearm from get-up to lie-down, just because I am the protective sort and since I work from home right now there is no reason I can't. But Mom and the twins haven't felt that need, besides they have me and the dogs around. Since they turned 18, I've been trying to get the twins to carry when they go for a walk, but they still have to make the decision themselves.

The wierd thing is that right before this I was starting to wonder if I was a little too paranoid, maybe I just needed to have a gun handy and didn't need to carry on my person all the time around the house and yard. :uhoh:

Anyway, you are right in that if I expect or suspect a confrontation, that I will have a rifle in hand, as well as the sidearm. But where do you draw the line? Geeez, is it safe to walk to the mailbox without the AK ...? How many spare mags do I carry? :rolleyes:


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Actually, I think I'm going to see if I can get a local number for the US Marshalls, and find out what the heck is going on with the case. Seems like they owe us some explanation while this guy is out on bond ...?

The girls can't vary their schedule too much, because of school.

I have been roaming around with my rifle, just on general principles ... walking the ridges on both sides of the house. Varmit hunting, you know ;)

It looks like there has been no one at the neighbor's house for several days now. My (cynical and suspicious) theory is that he/they were leaving the area for a while and trying to nab someone on their way out.
 
TallPine...

"Geeez, is it safe to walk to the mailbox without the AK ...? How many spare mags do I carry?"

That depends, how many spare mags do you need? :what:

Like I said, I was not trying to get on your case, but rather build upon your statement. It seems like you were aware of a problem, but not the way it appears to have tried to come down.

This is a possible learning situation for all of us. I hope things go welll for you. And besides, I may be a neighbor some day. I'd like to move into a well-armed, polite neighborhood.
 
I'd like to move into a well-armed, polite neighborhood.
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That's the way it is around here, for the most part. Hopefully we will get rid of this slimeball (and all of his buddies) one of these days soon. Then all we will have to worry about is the mutant cougar/grizzly hybrids and the rabid porcupines ... :D

BTW, the other place (140 acres) that I told you about a few months ago has sold. The old guy who bought it seems ok - I think he is a long time Montanan or a native.

Maybe you would want this other 40 if it comes up for auction by the Feds ...? (but be warned, the guy who owns the place that the driveway goes through has guns and he is a real grouch :p )
 
Another thought--I know NC has a "registered [strike]pervert[/strike]sex offender" website. Does Montana offer a similer service?

For a change, that's an expenditure of taxpayer money I can live with.
 
I didn't make it through all the replies so maybe its been mentioned already. For $100 or less you could get a pair of 2 way radios capable of reaching each other from anywhere on your property. Motorola makes some pretty nice ones, we've got a set made by Radio Shack we used to take to horseshows. You could leave one in the house where someone can hear it and give one to anyone who has to go outside. I suppose cell phones would work the same if you already have them. That way if something comes up, they could call for help or call for some company if something doesn't seem right.
Also glad to hear that your daughters are willing to carry. Thats a good thing, but also keep in mind that everyone will be extra edgy for awhile. Its good to let each other know where you will be so nobody gets surprised and you don't have any accidents.

You really are more safe in the country, but you still have to be on gaurd. Especially with neighbors like you have. Dont' let it get you down, you'll have alot more neighbors in town which makes the chance to have alot more bad neighbors. At least where you're at you only have to worry about one or two.
Where I live has always been a pretty quiet area, but there has been some scary stuff too. I don't just go out to check noises at night anymore, I take a flashlight and pistol and let someone know where I'm headed if I'm not alone.
 
30-06: oh yeah, Montana has one of those websites ... unfortunately, I think that's where our neighbor finds all his friends :rolleyes:


I don't know about the radios ... aren't they restricted to line-of-sight???
We have lots of steep hills on our place.

The main change we have made is that the girls DO NOT go outside without one or both of the larger dogs (preferably the Malinois for sure), and also having me on standby if I am not out there with them.

I sure wish "Nova" could get a hold of a trespasser ... he might ask me to shoot him just for some "relief" :D
 
I didn't make it through all the replies so maybe its been mentioned already. For $100 or less you could get a pair of 2 way radios capable of reaching each other from anywhere on your property.
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I think the maxim that "God knew what he was doing when he gave us two ears and one mouth" holds equally true in a forum.

This idea has already been raised and discussed.

And, respectfully, if you can't be bothered to read what other wrote, why should they read what you have?
 
I don't think the radios would help much because our land is so rugged - if they are within radio reach they are within screaming reach.
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How big is your property? Another thought: a pistol can be used as a signaling device in a pinch. ;)
 
I think the maxim that "God knew what he was doing when he gave us two ears and one mouth" holds equally true in a forum.

This idea has already been raised and discussed.

And, respectfully, if you can't be bothered to read what other wrote, why should they read what you have?
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Thats really a worthwhile contribution to TallPine's problem isn't it? Save the quotes they don't impress me. It had already been mentioned, I seconded. If it hadn't been mentioned, I was suggesting it. Why don't you try to come up with a useful idea yourself?




TallPine
As far as the radios, I think mine are rated for up to 2 miles of open terrain, I think you can get the same basic radio rated for up to 5 miles as well, but its more expensive. I have used them from close to a mile in the city with quite a few large buildings between me and the person I was talking to. It wasn't crystal clear but you could communicate. I haven't personally tried them in or around large hills. Lowes carries them here, so maybe if your going there anyway it would be worth looking at.
I think you have things pretty well handled, but added communication could be very comforting. I hate to rely on a persons ability to scream. If you were to see something strange while out, it would be alot handier to call the house and have them call the police (or one of your good neighbors) while you keep watch than for you to yell and give yourself away. They also have a call button that makes the other radio beep pretty loudly. That way all you have to do is squeeze a button to get someones attention.
If you guys have cell phones I would probably just stick with them, but the radios may be an alternative.
 
Tall Pine

I don’t have any advice, regarding security, which has not been mentioned. As a father of two girls myself, I do offer my empathy and prayer for God to give you and your daughters the wisdom and ability to do what needs doing on your side. Also that the Lord protect you and yours from evil and the ravages of time and chance…. Perhaps it was God that alerted the dog that a.m.

I know that this is not my usual type of post, but I have not been able to get Tall Pines situation off my mind, from the day he posted it, and I have come to the conclusion that seeking protection from a omnipotent and benevolent creator, is about as tactical as you can get.
 
As in signaling: "Leave me the heck alone, or else!"
Or: "Hey, Daddy! I shot another trespasser."
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I was thinking more along the lines of signaling for armed backup from the house.

Another possibility would be a small air horn or even a loud whistle. People have been known to "lose their voice" when sufficiently frightened.
 
I'll check into the radios next time we go to the city, unless someone can recommend something that Cabelas carries (since I have their catalogs). I hadn't thought about being able to discreetly alert someone at the house for backup, or using a key-down or beep function - that would probably work even when voice tx won't. I have used those radios when working for a weed spraying outfit, and any kind of a hill seems to block tx.

Our cell phone doesn't work up here at all. We just use it for calling from town or along the hiway if there is service.

Deputy response out here would be at least 30 to 45 minutes.

Thanks for all the concern and suggestions. It really helps to talk about this with someone outside the family and get some perspective. I love living way out here, but we are pretty much on our own for most situations.
 
It looks like most of the things you could do in this situation have already been mentioned, so be safe, stay alert and armed no matter where you are.

(Not to alarm you too much, but if someone was truely thinking of an abduction, your home may not be the only place you or family are being watched.....)
 
Hmmm, still sounds worrying over a week after you posted. I'd follow arc-lite and concur with the thoughts of a man more experienced than myself. Hope you and yours have nothing to worry about.
By the way, dig a hole somewhere quiet. Boy scouts motto etc.
 
I second the idea of the whistles, they will carry a long way. I'd also make sure a rifle was handy by the back door, and if you can talk the ladies into it, each should have their own carry pistol.
 
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