skeeterfogger
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Civilian open carry is just show off ignorant.
Umm, no. For many of us, in certain circumstances, it is practical and will offer us the best opportunity to protect ourselves, as many people would not carry a larger and easier to shoot and higher capacity gun if they were restricted to concealed carry only.Civilian open carry is just show off ignorant.
True, but nobody asked him to leave and there were no posted signs. That being said, he's an idiot for the Facebook live video he posted before the video here.If they told him to leave and he refused they did.
When I took the CCW class the instructor specifically told us if we got caught defying a "no guns" sign then the store could tell us to leave. We were guilty of trespass if we didn't.
No arrest was made or even insinuated, that's why he never should have signed anything.KYregular writes:
I saw nothing in the OP to indicate an arrest was made. Was there one?
Since Wal-Mart is a private entity, maintaining private property, they can indeed bar anyone from entry onto it (assuming Federal anti-discrimination laws are adhered to; firearms-carrying is not yet a "protected class.") Whether the individual signs the document or not, he's still banned. All it takes is a representative of the proprietor to issue the warning in the presence of law enforcement. Now, I do have doubts about whether or not a store manager has the authority to ban an individual from the grounds of any WM property nationwide.
Steve S. writes:
Let's not be try to turn this into yet another "OC vs CC" thread. Those don't tend to remain open very long.
True, but nobody asked him to leave and there were no posted signs. That being said, he's an idiot for the Facebook live video he posted before the video here.
I'll try to find the FD cast and postThat's the problem with things lime this. The video starts in the middle of the encounter and we have no idea what happened before the recording started.
I heard he wasn't asked to leave also but do we know that's what happened? I wish we could see The Facebook live video
As an avid gun owner, I ask myself why would I want to “OC”; I cannot think of one good reason other than “it is legal”. I do not want anyone to know that I am armed and I do not want to intentionally cause people to be uncomfortable. OC is reserved for a certain kind of personality (especially in a present day Walmart). Being armed and common sense are not mutually exclusive.
You do not want to OC. There are plenty of rational arguments not to OC. But I cannot think of why you would want it to be denormalized or even banned. If it is, concealed carry is next. Like I wrote above, the difference between concealed and open carry is a small technological step. Once that technology is in place, we are all effectively open carriers.
I am not an open carrier, but open carry and open carriers have my full support. The right to keep and bear arms is a reasonable right. I do not characterize people who exercise a reasonable right as having a certain "personality" or as lacking common sense. Some people are narcissistic, self-involved, attention whores. Just because they use open carry for their purposes shouldn't characterize all open carriers any more than any other foolish use of a firearm should characterize all firearm owners. Open carry itself is not foolish, but foolish individuals can use it to attract attention to their foolishness. Nevertheless, if you only support the "hidden" exercise of the rights the 2nd Amendment is purposed to protect, then you can expect that only "hidden" exercise will remain permissible. And there is nothing hidden that will not be manifest or brought into the open.
Good that someone was paying attention and pointed out that his "complaint" couldn't be true.Left wing antis trolling stores to provoke confrontation. https://ilwd4cr.home.blog/2019/09/0...A4WEQNbJDfTxxudmSrtZ1UHXFGWB3rpd9w1-hl41aOusQ
Civilian open carry is just show off ignorant.