After shooting revolvers extensively for the last 10 years, I've gotten used to not fighting the recoil. Just hold onto the gun firmly and let your elbows roll with it. Having the recoil go straight back almost seems like it'd be worse... But that's why I want to try one for myself.
Possibly looking into a Chiappa Rhino 357....
- Thread starter 45/30-06OKIE
- Start date
halfmoonclip
Member
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2011
- Messages
- 2,790
This is the eternal question about .40 anything. Unless you reload, it is expensive to feed the larger calibers. Unless you reload, it is hard to fine tune what you want the load to do.
Three fifty seven is a wonderfully flexible caliber; personally, load few magnums anymore, but there's a real assortment of .38s. Unhappily, .38s aren't so common as they once were, so factory ammo isn't as cheap as the ubiquitous 9mms.
Maybe there's a thought; Chiappa makes a nifty 9mm revolver.
Moon
UncleEd
Member
If the Rhino definitely is as expensive as stated here,
then it's time to also look hard at S&W, Ruger and
yes, even Colt. A Python or Anaconda might be
very little more money if any.
then it's time to also look hard at S&W, Ruger and
yes, even Colt. A Python or Anaconda might be
very little more money if any.
Landgroove
Member
- Joined
- Apr 2, 2012
- Messages
- 114
My LGS just doesn't keep up with the newest trends. 
I recall shooting a Rhino. Meh.
As far as reduced muzzle flip, it's a solution looking for a problem, IMO, since muzzle flip really isn't (or shouldn't be) the issue that some think it is.
The rise & fall of the muzzle happens quite rapidly - far more rapidly than most can shoot anyway. The real issue with muzzle flip is when the front sight doesn't return to its original position within a proper sight picture - which is a grip (and therefore user) issue.
Those really speedy runNgun shooters are able to shoot fast, in part, because of a neutral grip, they don't waste time looking for the front sight after each shot - instead, their subconscious just confirms the front sight returned to where it needs to be, and the shot is released. Take a close look at a larger image of my avator below (of yours truly at an indoor match some years ago). The shot just broke, and the bullet is just leaving the barrel. But zoom in and look at the "ghost muzzle" from the shot before. The muzzle definitely rose, but the follow-up shot in the pic was likely something like a 0.2second "split" (time between shots), and you can see the shot broke the instant the muzzle returned to its starting place. Gamer loads, yes, but neutral grip & subconscious visualization. The big dogs do it a bit faster.
As far as reduced muzzle flip, it's a solution looking for a problem, IMO, since muzzle flip really isn't (or shouldn't be) the issue that some think it is.
The rise & fall of the muzzle happens quite rapidly - far more rapidly than most can shoot anyway. The real issue with muzzle flip is when the front sight doesn't return to its original position within a proper sight picture - which is a grip (and therefore user) issue.
Those really speedy runNgun shooters are able to shoot fast, in part, because of a neutral grip, they don't waste time looking for the front sight after each shot - instead, their subconscious just confirms the front sight returned to where it needs to be, and the shot is released. Take a close look at a larger image of my avator below (of yours truly at an indoor match some years ago). The shot just broke, and the bullet is just leaving the barrel. But zoom in and look at the "ghost muzzle" from the shot before. The muzzle definitely rose, but the follow-up shot in the pic was likely something like a 0.2second "split" (time between shots), and you can see the shot broke the instant the muzzle returned to its starting place. Gamer loads, yes, but neutral grip & subconscious visualization. The big dogs do it a bit faster.
halfmoonclip
Member
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2011
- Messages
- 2,790
All due respect, but I have to disagree. John Browning got it amazingly right with the bore axis of the 1911, as did Gaston Glock, and many CZ designers.
One of the weaknesses of the earlier Smith autos (the 39 family) was its somewhat higher bore axis, which was even more pronounced with the .45 iterations.
Love the P320 Sigs, but they have a noticeably higher bore axis than the competing Glock; for some reason, SIG copied the same relationship as their older DA/SA autos.
Realize that really good shooters deal well with a higher axis. But, at least in theory, the lower bore axis is an advantage.
Moon
ETA-and we are talking about revos...a somewhat different thing.
M
Last edited:
No argument, but Chiappa seems to really market the idea that any muzzle flip is bad, unnecessary, and is slowing you down. The Rhino just seems to go to an unnecessary extreme to that end.
Pudge
Member
I agree with what you're saying, to a point. But the employment of "Gamer loads" is at least partly to mitigate the effects of recoil. At given skill level, could you see how the design of the Rhino might mitigate the effects of recoil and provide for faster follow-up shots with full house magnums?
Mark_Mark
Member
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2021
- Messages
- 17,990
I’m going to have to disagree, used MC that had been tuned! yes!!! but a new gun needs work. I bought a New MC and I’m going to have to put $$ & work in it. Love the look… and that’s half the battle, but so far, my used GP100 with out shoot my new MC.
Give me 1-3 months and I’ll have the GP100MC tuned even if I have to send it out. I do love the Build Quality
Mark_Mark
Member
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2021
- Messages
- 17,990
I handled a used 686+ today! felt as good as a new Python! moral of the post… buy Used revolvers
Yamifrk
Member
If you want something that you don’t see everyday, check out a S&W Competitor. You choice of 357 or 44 Mag. They are a performance center guns, so PC tuned action, chrome hammer and trigger. Don’t forget the adjustable weighted barrel, lol Comes with a pic rail so you can mount a red dot or a scope. It’s definitely a love it or hate it gun. I love my 686 competitor,
trigger is really smooth. Shoots great all I did was added a Dawson F/O front sight.
trigger is really smooth. Shoots great all I did was added a Dawson F/O front sight.
Yamifrk
Member
Mark_Mark
Member
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2021
- Messages
- 17,990
that a cool looking gun!Yes @270OKIE it’s the top gun in the pic 357 mag…looks like a 22 next to my 460 mag.Here is a stock photoView attachment 1178174
OP
OP
45/30-06OKIE
Member
What the top gun in your pics is a 357?? Holy cow lol. Yeah the 460 dwarfs it. Too bad we can't get 460s at wholesale price... Cause I could just shoot 45 colts through it for fun and then load hot 460 ammo for taking my friends to the range lol JK.Yes @270OKIE it’s the top gun in the pic 357 mag…looks like a 22 next to my 460 mag.
Yamifrk
Member
I just down load 460’s for it…well if you consider down loaded is 240 grain xtp’s at 2000 fps 
My wife has shot it with 45 colts. I haven’t tried any 454 in it.
My wife has shot it with 45 colts. I haven’t tried any 454 in it.
Mark_Mark
Member
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2021
- Messages
- 17,990
I shoot load full power for my 460V ! and bring enough for everyone at the range for a taste!I just down load 460’s for it…well if you consider down loaded is 240 grain xtp’s at 2000 fps
OP
OP
45/30-06OKIE
Member
Well shoot maybe I need to lock this thread and start a thread on how we can get a 460 for cheap.
Yamifrk
Member
I definitely shoot full power loads as well. Mostly for the grin factor 
OP
OP
45/30-06OKIE
Member
On second thought I think a 44mag would be more interesting IMHO. .429 300gr Nosler JSP bullets would be very interesting.
Wasn’t there a thread about someone getting there thumb really buggered up by having it up along the frame to close to “ the fireworks” with one of those?I definitely shoot full power loads as well. Mostly for the grin factor
I’m seriously considering one. Gotta love that much umph..
Yamifrk
Member
Yes @JmacD I’m not exactly sure how he got his thumb that far forward, but the “story” goes that it basically blew his thumb off from the knuckle to the tip. There are pictures of it if you want to see for yourself. They say max pressure is 65k. All the loads I have looked at are maxed out around 57-58k I haven’t ran any numbers myself on GRT or quick loads. I’ve been loading 240 xtp’s with enforcer with a medium charge and getting just shy of 2k fps with an es of 8 for 4 shots then it jumps up about 45 for the 5th shot. It’s pretty consistent doing it so I’m plenty happy. Sorry to make this thread about the 460 @270OKIE but I too like to be an enabler
Here’s an idea: a variant of said Rhino in 460… hmmm….Yes @JmacD I’m not exactly sure how he got his thumb that far forward, but the “story” goes that it basically blew his thumb off from the knuckle to the tip. There are pictures of it if you want to see for yourself. They say max pressure is 65k. All the loads I have looked at are maxed out around 57-58k I haven’t ran any numbers myself on GRT or quick loads. I’ve been loading 240 xtp’s with enforcer with a medium charge and getting just shy of 2k fps with an es of 8 for 4 shots then it jumps up about 45 for the 5th shot. It’s pretty consistent doing it so I’m plenty happy. Sorry to make this thread about the 460 @270OKIE but I too like to be an enabler
I have had a bunch of revolvers over the years and the only one I regret selling is the Chiappa. It carried better than any other revolver. The recoil impulse is very much like a 1911 IMO. The DA trigger on my example was very good.
OP
OP
45/30-06OKIE
Member
Hmmm. I would probably be loading up 180gr halfway stout loads of I were to get the rhino in 357. Your saying that those types of loads felt like a warm 45 Auto??? Interesting.
Mark_Mark
Member
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2021
- Messages
- 17,990
Shooting a short barrel.460 Mag full house load is like Shock Therapy. Shoot it and you forget your problems, it just resets your mind
