waterhouse
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Many of them do.
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Many of them do.
I sleep with my attorney so I might save a little.
Seriously, job one is to stay alive. There's always the possibility of criminal prosecution or civil litigation following a shooting but if you don't survive none of that matters much, does it?
This is why I advise against modifying guns and other actions that could help a zealous prosecutor or civil lawyer come after you. Make sure you are in the right and be prepared for what may happen next.
Seriously, job one is to stay alive. There's always the possibility of criminal prosecution or civil litigation following a shooting but if you don't survive none of that matters much, does it?
This is why I advise against modifying guns and other actions that could help a zealous prosecutor or civil lawyer come after you. Make sure you are in the right and be prepared for what may happen next.
MagnumWill
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I'm sure my wife would miss me if I thought 15K was too much, and let the guy smoke me.
15,000 dollars isn't the end of the world- the bullet in the BG's chamber is.
15,000 dollars isn't the end of the world- the bullet in the BG's chamber is.
Mohawk
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
w_houle
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I dont have to: All I have to remember is how much it will cost if I fail to act, and go for the cheaper option (It's not quite what I mean, but am at a loss for words right now)
Jamie C.
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Something else just occurred to me, concerning this question...
Let's say you decide that you can't afford the attorney's fees, and let the bad guy plug you a time or three... and then you survive.
Can you afford the medical bills? The disability that may occur? That sort of thing could run into the hundreds of thousands, and leave you dependent on someone else for the rest of your life.
Can anybody really afford that?
I don't know about the rest of ya, but that sort'a makes $15,000 to $30,000 look like an absolute bargain to me.
J.C.
Let's say you decide that you can't afford the attorney's fees, and let the bad guy plug you a time or three... and then you survive.
Can you afford the medical bills? The disability that may occur? That sort of thing could run into the hundreds of thousands, and leave you dependent on someone else for the rest of your life.
Can anybody really afford that?
I don't know about the rest of ya, but that sort'a makes $15,000 to $30,000 look like an absolute bargain to me.
J.C.
JohnBT
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"...if you can afford..."
I can. Will you take a personal check?
John
I can. Will you take a personal check?
John
Better up those numbers.
As a practicing lawyer I will opine that a criminal defense will run you at least $30k to $50k. More often than not criminal defense requires a large retainer to proceed and replenishing that retainer each time it gets down to a predetermined amount.
To defend against a civil suit, minimum $50k-$75k to get through summary judgment. If SJ denied, add another $25k to get through trial and post trial motions. Add another $5k to $10k if appeal is necessary.
As a practicing lawyer I will opine that a criminal defense will run you at least $30k to $50k. More often than not criminal defense requires a large retainer to proceed and replenishing that retainer each time it gets down to a predetermined amount.
To defend against a civil suit, minimum $50k-$75k to get through summary judgment. If SJ denied, add another $25k to get through trial and post trial motions. Add another $5k to $10k if appeal is necessary.
jackstinson
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Money is just money. I had none when I came into the world.
Your life and/or your loved-one's life is another matter entirely.
It's kind of humorous in a way. I read on this forum constantly about buying the best gun, the best holster, the best belt, the best shirt to cover it all, and the best ammo.....all that is usually followed by the words, "How much is your life worth?".
So.......How much is your life worth?
Your life and/or your loved-one's life is another matter entirely.
It's kind of humorous in a way. I read on this forum constantly about buying the best gun, the best holster, the best belt, the best shirt to cover it all, and the best ammo.....all that is usually followed by the words, "How much is your life worth?".
So.......How much is your life worth?
jimmyraythomason
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There is no choice here. In the opening scenerio you either defend yourself or you're D-E-A-D. There is no future in that. You come "to grips" with it after the fact and deal with it the best you can. Yes it will be emotionally draining and for most people will take a long time to get over,if at all but in the end you still come home to your family who needs you. "before you is life and death..choose life"
ezenbrowntown
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Shoot, that's cheaper than the medical costs if the BG puts a serious hurting on me and I need some surgery.
Things I learned from this thread -
1. A solid good shoot will probably not lead to criminal charges.
2. One can purchase "insurance" or join a group sympathetic to good shoots.
3. Have a good lawyer, now, not tomorrow.
4. Some attorney's will accept time duration plans for payment of services.
5. Some good shooters here have no plan whatsoever after a good shoot.
6. Criminal and civil defenses cost way more than $15,000 a piece.
1. A solid good shoot will probably not lead to criminal charges.
2. One can purchase "insurance" or join a group sympathetic to good shoots.
3. Have a good lawyer, now, not tomorrow.
4. Some attorney's will accept time duration plans for payment of services.
5. Some good shooters here have no plan whatsoever after a good shoot.
6. Criminal and civil defenses cost way more than $15,000 a piece.
Jamie C.
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Heh... with my luck, the prosecuting attorney might very well use the fact that I had a plan laid out for what to do after a shooting - good or bad - against me in court.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... I submit to you that the defendant was looking to get into a shooting; That he wanted to kill someone. If not, why else would he have carefully thought out and planned for what to do afterwards?" ( And from here, he/she goes into any details that can be dug up concerning any preparations, and how that is evidence of a desire and expectations of being in a situation involving shooting someone. )
J.C.
SCKimberFan
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This is why I like SC's laws:
Not only do I not have to pay, I will be compensated by the defendants and my attorneys fees will be covered, if it was a "good shoot".
Not only do I not have to pay, I will be compensated by the defendants and my attorneys fees will be covered, if it was a "good shoot".
Jamie C.
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Just a little FYI for ya, SCKimberFan:
The wife and I were awarded attorneys' fees and court costs here a few years back, in a case we had with her ex.
We had to pay our attorney up front, and we've yet to be reimbursed for it.
It seems that although the court will award those things, it's tough to get it to help collect it. Well, except for the court costs... they'll get theirs before the ever let the person back out the door. We, however, were pretty much on our own, unless we wanted to take the dummy back to court later.
Which didn't seem to make a whole helluva lot of sense, given that we didn't wanna be in court in the first place...
J.C.
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Could you afford it if you hit someone with your car?
If someone got injured/killed on your property?
There should be insurance for this like there is with cars and houses. For defense counsel purposes only, not to pay liabilities because of a wrongful shoot.
I think the premium cost could be really low, since there are very very few justifiable defense shootings that end up in law suits. And even when they do, the costs are pretty limited (no attorney is going to want $1,000,000 to defend you, such as is often awarded in negligent injury/homicide cases). And since the insurance wouldn't cover your damages if found guilty, the costs can be mitigated down to the thousands instead of unknown amounts to be determined after trial.
States that have laws against lawsuits regarding legal shoots could be even cheaper.
Perhaps you could even have a clause that requires the offender to repay the court costs if he is found guilty...
If this exists already, could someone point out where and how much it costs?
If someone got injured/killed on your property?
There should be insurance for this like there is with cars and houses. For defense counsel purposes only, not to pay liabilities because of a wrongful shoot.
I think the premium cost could be really low, since there are very very few justifiable defense shootings that end up in law suits. And even when they do, the costs are pretty limited (no attorney is going to want $1,000,000 to defend you, such as is often awarded in negligent injury/homicide cases). And since the insurance wouldn't cover your damages if found guilty, the costs can be mitigated down to the thousands instead of unknown amounts to be determined after trial.
States that have laws against lawsuits regarding legal shoots could be even cheaper.
Perhaps you could even have a clause that requires the offender to repay the court costs if he is found guilty...
If this exists already, could someone point out where and how much it costs?
jakemccoy
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I can afford $30k total, but that estimate for attorney fees would be low 'round here in my parts.
SharpsDressedMan
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Victims in Ohio have a fund for which they can make application for compensation for victims from the state.
I don't know the specifics, but it has to be better than nothing......
I don't know the specifics, but it has to be better than nothing......
jimmyraythomason
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Perhaps electing a pro-self defence Prosecuting District Attorny would be the way to go? If the DA doesn't ask for a Grand Jury inquiry then there is no case to defend.
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