Pre-owned Stockpiles

[Highland Ranger]

Interesting . . . . on the other hand I don't buy much in stores - too expensive in Jersey.

So maybe I missed it.

Still makes me uncomfortable.

 

[flphotoguy]

When I moved I put my locked gun cases and ammo boxes in the U-Haul first, then all the furniture and stuff after. No big deal.

 

[Suicide*Ride]

Hey Duke of Doubt - did I miss-understand your question?

Hey Highland Ranger -

the premise of the discussion is flawed as previously observed

HUH???

Also, I would NEVER buy "used" rounds. I'd buy new or if things get tighter, factory reloads.

DITTO HUH?

If it is found "For Sale" @ wallyworld, gun store, outdoor/camping/whatever store - it's new. If it's @ a pawn shop, it can still be "new", but only if the box is full, & behind the counter w/ other full boxes.

Sometimes, a buyer (insert your name here) will find a "factory" box of ammunition @ a gun store which also makes $$$ loans ie: "Pawn shop", & depending on the scruples of the store owner, said "factory" box of ammo might be seen by (insert your name here), who will make an offer for said box of ammo, even though store owner didn't buy ammo from new ammo supplier.

Is the box of ammo still considered new, if someone else bought it from wallyworld, & it wound up "For sale" elsewhere? Dunno, but I've managed more than 1 pawn/gun shop, & unless it's "in the back" (where you can't see it), it's FOR SALE.

BTW - I've never seen a box of "factory reloads". If it's loaded by the factory isn't it considered "new"?? If the ammunition is made from once-fired brass, isn't that a reload?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

If John Q. Public buys a progressive press, & is making & selling ammo out of his pickup @ the gun show is it new or a reload? New brass & bullets make them "new" (I call mine custom), once fired is reloaded.... Right?

If someone like (insert your favorite "on-line" ammunition supplier here) shouldn't be confused w/ factory ammunition makers (CCI, PMC, Speer, REM-UMC, W.W., etc.). I have seen factory "seconds", but only components ie: deformed bullets, & never ready to fire ammunition.

 

[CHEVELLE427]

BTW - I've never seen a box of "factory reloads". If it's loaded by the factory isn't it considered "new"?? If the ammunition is made from once-fired brass, isn't that a reload?

I have not seen any from that co. if your ???? is for me "factory reloads". would be any reload bought from a company and not from a guy in a garage.

i would think someone like Georgia arms would be factory reloads as they mass produce reloaded ammo.

Any ammo can be made wrong at any time it only takes one burp in the process to blow your gun up.

 

[waterhouse]

BTW - I've never seen a box of "factory reloads". If it's loaded by the factory isn't it considered "new"?? If the ammunition is made from once-fired brass, isn't that a reload?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=191840

Black Hills sells "new" ammo (never fired brass) and they sell "remanufactured" ammo, which is their term for ammunition made from previously fired brass, i.e. a reload.

 

[hso]

I'm not talking a few thousand measly rounds. I'm talking about Stockpiles.

Then you're not talking about opened boxes, so what's the issue?

Folks with cases to sell won't be selling partially opened boxes.

The cases won't look any different than unopened cases at any shop/show. The quality won't be any different.

 

[Suicide*Ride]

No Chevelle427, my questions were directed to the Duke & Highland. I started both with "Hey......"

BTW-I LOVE Georgia Arms, as I've proven time & again w/ my wallet!

When I buy anything from them (Ga. Arms), they will state on the box or vacuum sealed bag, whether the ammunition is "new", or if it's something they've reloaded on site w/ once fired brass.

 

[Suicide*Ride]

Thank you Waterhouse!!!!!! It's been a long night, & I brain-farted! I knew there was a term I was looking for in my 1st reply!! REMAN!!

As far as a factory remanufacturing.... I don't believe I've ever seen Remington, CCI, Winchester, etc. sell "factory reloads".

Georgia Arms uses items made by someone else (Master cart., Speer bullets) to make their ammunition hence "Custom load" & not factory reload. You can't call something a "reload" if it's never been fired.

Hornady, Cor-Bon, etc., make their own brass & bullets, (& I think Cor-bon makes their own powder), so buying from them would be listed as "NEW", not "Factory reload".

 

[Suicide*Ride]

After re-reading the OP's only question -

Do any of you dealers have a plan to inspect or certify the bulk stockpiles you'll be buying from individuals for resale?

I'm not a dealer & never have been.... Sorry for responding.

 

[Highland Ranger]

Hey Highland Ranger -
Quote:
the premise of the discussion is flawed as previously observed

HUH???


Quote:
Also, I would NEVER buy "used" rounds. I'd buy new or if things get tighter, factory reloads.

DITTO HUH?

Not sure what the "Huh"s mean but I'll take a crack.

With respect to reloads - I haven't bought or used any, ever.

Lately I have been tempted to buy from Georgia Arms, but when I can still get 9mm for $10 NIB, then getting reloads for $8 for 50 doesn't make sense. Yet.

From a terminology perspective, I am using the word "used" perhaps inappropriately. I am defining used to = ammo which may appear to be from the factory, but can't be confirmed as being factory fresh and could be anything as pointed out in a response above.

As far as the premise of the discussion being flawed, the original poster said:

Accordingly, I would expect a lot of these "stockpiles" accumulated out there recently to get dumped onto the local market when the owner moves.

Flawed = I don't think this will happen or I believe this statement to be incorrect for the reasons cited in multiple posts above.

 

[Suicide*Ride]

Thank you Mr. Highland Ranger! You are both a Gentleman & a Scholar!!

My apollagies sir, for my response "huh"? I was "cheating", & didn't want to have to type out the words "I don't understand your comment(s) - to please explain or reiterate"

I'll say it again, Thank you!


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[Duke of Doubt]

hso: "Then you're not talking about opened boxes, so what's the issue?
Folks with cases to sell won't be selling partially opened boxes. The cases won't look any different than unopened cases at any shop/show. The quality won't be any different."

Well, we don't really know that, do we? If I bought a case of ammunition twenty-five years ago, and it sat right next to the furnace down cellar for twenty-five years, then spent three months under water during a flood which ruined the boxes, and I then reboxed that case into the empty boxes from another case I had shot, and sold the case to the gun store, it "wouldn't look any different than unopened cases" -- but it sure might function different. Don't dismiss this scenario out of hand, by the way; it happens.

 

[Sam Adams]

I moved from NJ to TX several years ago. All of my ammo, guns and accessories came with me, in the minivan. We're talking probably 800 pounds. Plus other things. I got 21 MPG in a vehicle that normally does 23 on the highway. I don't see people selling ammo - I wouldn't, and 10 extra gallons of gas was a lot cheaper than buying new ammo.

Oh, and all of the guns were lost in a boating accident last Nov. 5. I had shot up all the ammo before then, and the accessories were all broken and rusted, so I tossed them in the garbage.

 

[BHP FAN]

hmm.I suppose ,when I'm dead,someone WILL have to figure all that out.

 

[Highland Ranger]

hmm.I suppose ,when I'm dead,someone WILL have to figure all that out.

That's the spirit!

I have five kids and told them to expect a big MESS!

(least I could do . . . . )

 

[rdhood]

2000 bullets can be shipped for about $11 in a USPS flat rate box. One can ship a heckofalot of lead for cheap in a flat rate box.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I personally don't know anyone that spent time and money accumulating a store of ammo that is just going to leave it behind. If I move, I would take every bit of ammo (and I have more than my share). It is now worth quite a bit more than I paid for it, so even if I shipped it, I'd still be ahead. I think someone is just wishful thinking that hords of ammo are just going to magically become available, and directing their dreams towards the guy moving. Good luck with that!

 

[ThrottleJockey]

"2000 bullets can be shipped for about $11 in a USPS flat rate box. One can ship a heckofalot of lead for cheap in a flat rate box."

I do not recommend attempting this. You cannot ship ammo with the USPS. It is a felony on the federal level according to my local post office. Maybe fedex or ups is ok, but not USPS.

 

[Titan6]

First:

A friend has probably a typical stockpile - 30,000 rounds of handgun and .223/308 rounds. When he moved it fit into four milk crates. Right in the back of the suburban. Guns took up more space.

Those must have been some special milk crates. In the Army 30,000 rounds of 308 fills up the back of a HMVV. One case of .223 (1200 rounds) is a little smaller than the size of a standard milk crate.

Well, we don't really know that, do we? If I bought a case of ammunition twenty-five years ago, and it sat right next to the furnace down cellar for twenty-five years, then spent three months under water during a flood which ruined the boxes, and I then reboxed that case into the empty boxes from another case I had shot, and sold the case to the gun store, it "wouldn't look any different than unopened cases" -- but it sure might function different. Don't dismiss this scenario out of hand, by the way; it happens.

Well okay, but what are the odds of that really happening? I would say that is a pretty long string of low probability events to combined together to make an even much lower probability event. Besides what is the relation to moving anyway? If someone were trying to pawn off some bad ammo why would they wait till they moved? They could take it to another town across the state and sell it there. If they were stupid they would sell it at the pawn shop around the corner.

If I have the misfortune to find an unopened case of 25 year old surplus .308 at the going rate I will likely buy it.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Whew. The more I think about loading 24 pallets or 48 into a box trailer up to about oh... 48 thousand pounds of ammo...

someone hand me a Class 1 Hazmat please.

 

[Highland Ranger]

Those must have been some special milk crates. In the Army 30,000 rounds of 308 fills up the back of a HMVV. One case of .223 (1200 rounds) is a little smaller than the size of a standard milk crate.

Don't remember the exact numbers but it was a mix of handgun, rifle and rimfire. Not all .223/308. Included 40/9/45/357/44m/22lr, etc.

In any event, as has been amply pointed out, 10 different ways of moving it, all cheaper than replacement.